PSA Card Grading

[Favara]

Has anyone ever sent in an over-sized card like the old 1939-1946 exhibit cards and received back in the original card saver with the PSA stickers stuck back on with no grade but rather all information and hologram along with a number but where is the grading all it says "NO HOLDER". No grade, no authentic? What good is this, no explanation? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

[glchen]

That means the card is too large (or too fragile) to fit in any PSA holder. (It could also possibly mean that PSA doesn't grade that set, like the 1985 Star basketball.) You would receive a credit for that card since you won't be charged for the grading fee for it.

[Favara]

But why no grade? and its a Ted Williams Salutation card that are all over auctions and ebay with cases from PSA?

[Harford20]

I have approximately 20 PSA graded and 10 SGC graded Ted Williams Salutation exhibits. When I first started with the exhibits cards, I sent three Ted #9 Not Showing in to PSA. All three returned NO HOLDER. These, as I later found, we're all reprints. The first appeared clean and original from the front, but clearly on the back the card stock was gray (pulp-like). The other two were actually smaller, with Ted not as "sharp" in the photo, and the tag line (either Printed in USA or Made in USA) was cut off.

Suspect your NO HOLDER means reprint for this exhibits. If you post the front and back, I can give you a better answer.
Dave

[Favara]

Front.jpg

Back.jpg

[Exhibitman]

That appears to be a reprint.

[Harford20]

Agree with Exhibitman. Ted is a reprint. It appears to be the gray stock reprint.
Dave

[Favara]

Ok thanks, But why would PSA not send back labeled as reprint and assign it a PSA number?

[pokerplyr80]

You would probably get an answer if you call them directly and ask.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Favara

Ok thanks, But why would PSA not send back labeled as reprint and assign it a PSA number?

Because you asked them to authenticate a card from the 1930s. If you sent it in as 1980s Ted Williams reprint Exhibit, they might have slabbed it for you. But then again maybe not, because the intent was to deceive in the first place and they may only grade/slab cards that say "reprint" on them.

[steve B]

In pretty much any other hobby the grader/authenticator would slab or issue a cert with the ID corrected. Just one of the reasons our hobby and grading are a mess sometimes.

Steve B

[Exhibitman]

That card is not a reprint, as that term of art is used. The 1980 Exhibit series are reprints, made by the purchaser of the ESCO remains from the original plates. This card is a counterfeit. It was created some years ago by bootleggers who used actual cards to make it with the goal of deceiving buyers. There are a number of well-known counterfeit Exhibit formats including the gray chipboard backs like this one. I don't think any hobby TPG would certify a counterfeit. The only 'Exhibit' cards that are found legitimately with that different cardboard that I know of are the Canadian cards from the 1940s-1950s Exhibit sets. Like these:

[steve B]

Here's how to handle fakes.

It should also be noted that Fournier was one of the more famous forgers. Another was Sperati. Some of their forgeries have become a bit collectible since they make an excellent item for comparison and are usually cheaper than the originals.

From this page http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.com...Forgeries.html

Another thing to note to save you having to read the whole page, for that stamp there are originals, reprints done by the printer, and forgeries made to fool collectors. (The article is a bit interesting, and shows more forgeries than that one with explanations.)

Steve B

[buymycards]

Why wouldn't PSA just say "we didn't slab this card because it is a reprint or a fake"? "No holder" is pretty vague.