Marquard thoughts??

[earlywynnfan]

What does the population here think of this Marquard auto? I have my thoughts, but would like some input. The "R" doesn't match most I've seen.

Ken
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[HOF Auto Rookies]

I have seen "R's" like that. How does he end the "D" in his last name? Otherwise, I like it

[packs]

Not sure on the authenticity but I feel like I see a lot of Marquards signed in that black felt marker.

[T206Collector]

Also not sure on the authenticity, but I have one with an R like that.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Also not sure on the authenticity, but I have one with an R like that.

Thought you had one!

[Scott Garner]

My biggest concern is that "Rube" does not connect with "Marquard" on this ball. Virtually every exemplar that I have seen of him appears to read Rubellarquard from the late 1940's to his death date. His later sigs that I have studied (including those with his preferred black Flair pen) always seemed to be penned this way.

It's just my opinion, but I would stay away from this example personally.
If you would like to see exemplars of what I am talking about, PLMK. I've got several to look at.

I hope this helps.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

My biggest concern is that "Rube" does not connect with "Marquard" on this ball. Virtually every exemplar that I have seen of him appears to read Rubellarquard from the late 1940's to his death date. His later sigs that I have studied (including those with his preferred black Flair pen) always seemed to be penned this way.

It's just my opinion, but I would stay away from this example personally.
If you would like to see exemplars of what I am talking about, PLMK. I've got several to look at.

I hope this helps.

All in respect, I have seen most like exactly how you described, but I have as well seen a TON with the gap. Here's an example

[HOF Auto Rookies]

The main "tell" also, is how he finishes his signature. Please post a picture on how he finishes his signature as this photo is cut off.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

The main "tell" also, is how he finishes his signature. Please post a picture on how he finishes his signature as this photo is cut off.

I would agree with you as well. FWIW, the backward "swoosh" on the end of the "d" in Marquard would possibly sway my opinion after seeing your exemplar, HOF Rookies...

[JimStinson]

Look at the "R" in Rube on the ball it is done with two strokes of the pen.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Look at the "R" in Rube on the ball it is done with two strokes of the pen.

We need to get Paul's pic of his Marquard, it shows that as well.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Here we go:

Paul's Marquard Cracker Jack

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

I would agree with you as well. FWIW, the backward "swoosh" on the end of the "d" in Marquard would possibly sway my opinion after seeing your exemplar, HOF Rookies...

+1, exactly, otherwise, I would purchase this ball if it were reasonable

[sylbry]

How about this example?

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by sylbry

How about this example?

Wow, that one is tough. I'm not an expert, but I don't like it at all. Seems too quickly paced for his signings habits, especially with a later in life example like this one I believe. What year is that from. And not a fan of the "d" how it's finished. But then again, that's my opinion, I'm no expert.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Look at the "R" in Rube on the ball it is done with two strokes of the pen.

HOF autographs,
I think what Jim is trying to say with this post is that Rube's later era autographs all demonstrated a singular stroke, not two separate strokes as in the "R" on the ball in question.

Jim,
What's your take on the ball? Would you feel comfortable with it, or would you pass on it like I previously stated that I would do? I'm just curious...

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

HOF autographs,
I think what Jim is trying to say with this post is that Rube's later era autographs all demonstrated a singular stroke, not two separate strokes as in the "R" on the ball in question.

Jim,
What's your take on the ball? Would you feel comfortable with it, or would you pass on it like I previously stated that I would do? I'm just curious...

Thanks Scott, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification, as you can see, I'm no expert like Jim and everyone else

After that, what era is the ball? Now I may be leaning towards no...

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Wow, that one is tough. I'm not an expert, but I don't like it at all. Seems too quickly paced for his signings habits, especially with a later in life example like this one I believe. What year is that from. And not a fan of the "d" how it's finished. But then again, that's my opinion, I'm no expert.

I definately would pass on this one, FWIW.

[earlywynnfan]

Sorry for the delay in this, here is the "d" which seems to swing the wrong way.

Ken

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Hmmmm, I don't like how it's finished to be honest. I would contact Jim or Richard.

[JimStinson]

Here is what I mean, the ending of the signature varied but in all the later in life signatures that I remember seeing the "R" in Rube is formed with a single stroke. The pen does not leave signature. The R starts with a down stroke, lower loop coming around to form the top loop in R, Maybe he signed baseballs different and maybe not
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[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Here is what I mean, the ending of the signature varied but in all the later in life signatures that I remember seeing the "R" in Rube is formed with a single stroke. The pen does not leave signature. The R starts with a down stroke, lower loop coming around to form the top loop in R, Maybe he signed baseballs different and maybe not
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Jim,
Thanks for your input.

[Mr. Zipper]

The cracker Jack card posted earlier appears to have the two stroke R. Is that questionable as well?

I don't know Rube from Jack Ruby, but it would seem any forger would try to imitate the simple one stroke construction rather than just make up a two stroke R out of thin air. My sense would be to research it further and look at the whole signature rather than base a decision on what may be a Legitimate variant.