Surprising facts

[Peter_Spaeth]

Anything goes here. I will start with one that surprised me. Greg Maddux spent LESS than half his career on the Braves.

[Casey2296]

Minnie Minoso played 5 decades of MLB baseball.

[Jim65]

Mickey Mantle only hit 30 doubles one time in his career.

[Casey2296]

During his 19 year major league career of 575 games including 17 postseason games, Jim Palmer never surrendered a Grand slam or allowed back to back homeruns.

[G1911]

Reggie Jackson never hit 30 or more homers in back to back seasons.

[Casey2296]

Bigfoot is real...

Oh, sorry, wrong sub.

[clydepepper]

On September 26th, 1964, rookie Mel Stottlemyre, in only the 12th game of his career, shutout the Washington Senators 7-0

AND...

He was 5-for-5 at the plate...the last pitcher to get five hits in a game!



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[G1911]

Carlos Lee had 2 more 100 RBI seasons than Mickey Mantle did (Richardson and Kubek not getting on base at all but hitting at the top of the order sure hurt such a great team's offense).

[Casey2296]

In 1971 the Pittsburgh Pirates were the first team to field an all-black line up. In 1970 Dock Ellis of the same Pittsburgh Pirates pitched a no hitter while high on LSD. The 70's was definitely a fun decade.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by G1911

Reggie Jackson never hit 30 or more homers in back to back seasons.

That's honestly stunning.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by John1941

That's honestly stunning.

Reggie hit exactly 29 home runs 3 times. Those 3 seasons manage to break 4 back to back 30 home run season pairings. He would have had 4 such paired seasons if he’d hit just 3 total home runs in the right years.

[Lucas00]

Nellie Fox Never Struck out more than 18 times in a single season.

Imagine having a bad few days and that’s all of your Strikeouts for the year every year for your entire career.

[seanofjapan]

Japan’s NPB draws more fans per game than MLB does.

[ClementeFanOh]

The most prolific MLB hitter of the decade of the 1950s was...Richie Ashburn.
2nd place? Nellie Fox. When I originally was aked this trivia question, my
answer was Stan the Man. He was 3rd... Trent King

[jthorst75]

Archibald Leach, Bernard Schwartz and Lucille LeSueur have never been in my kitchen.
Good stuff guys, keep em coming

[TUM301]

23 years ago, Fernando Tatis hit 2 grand slams in ONE inning, off the SAME pitcher. Wow talk about taking one for the team !

[D. Bergin]

How much the modern day WAR statistic HATES Dante Bichette.

In 1995 Dante came a Tony Gwynn and a Mike Piazza away in the Batting race from winning the the Triple Crown in the National League, and still WAR only credited him with being worth 1.2 Wins above an average player (baseball reference).

Guy played 14 years, was a lifetime .300 hitter with plenty of pop, led the league in hits twice and slugging once. Defensively, he led his outfield position in assists, several times throughout his career (he must have been awful at all other phases of fielding ).

His lifetime WAR is less then Aaron Judges........in the current season.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...icheda01.shtml

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

How much the modern day WAR statistic HATES Dante Bichette.

In 1995 Dante came a Tony Gwynn and a Mike Piazza away in the Batting race from winning the the Triple Crown in the National League, and still WAR only credited him with being worth 1.2 Wins above an average player (baseball reference).

Guy played 14 years, was a lifetime .300 hitter with plenty of pop, led the league in hits twice and slugging once. Defensively, he led his outfield position in assists, several times throughout his career (he must have been awful at all other phases of fielding ).

His lifetime WAR is less then Aaron Judges........in the current season.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...icheda01.shtml

In 1996 he had a 30/30 season, while batting .313, driving in 141 RBI's and scoring 114 runs.........and was credited with a WAR of 0.7.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Don Drysdale is the 20th Century leader in All-Star appearances by a pitcher, and the all-time leader in innings pitched and strikeouts.

[egri]

Johnny Mize never hit between 30-39 home runs; always hit either 29 or fewer, or 40+.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

How much the modern day WAR statistic HATES Dante Bichette.

In 1995 Dante came a Tony Gwynn and a Mike Piazza away in the Batting race from winning the the Triple Crown in the National League, and still WAR only credited him with being worth 1.2 Wins above an average player (baseball reference).

Guy played 14 years, was a lifetime .300 hitter with plenty of pop, led the league in hits twice and slugging once. Defensively, he led his outfield position in assists, several times throughout his career (he must have been awful at all other phases of fielding ).

His lifetime WAR is less then Aaron Judges........in the current season.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...icheda01.shtml

Crazy. In 1999, Bichette's dWar was -3.9 and he was tied for 2nd of all outfielders with 17 assists, but was 55th in putouts. I guess he just didn't cover a lot of ground?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Teammates Yaz and Rico Petrocelli are two of the 4 players with 10 or more letters in their last names to hit 40 home runs in a season. Neither of them ever hit between 30 - 39 in a season.

EDIT: Like Mize mentioned above.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Crazy. In 1999, Bichette's dWar was -3.9 and he was tied for 2nd of all outfielders with 17 assists, but was 55th in putouts. I guess he just didn't cover a lot of ground?

Probably not. Whatever manager gave him the green light should've been shot. Pretty crappy base stealer too, despite that 30/30 season.

[packs]

WAR is a weird stat for some people. Right now it's favoring Tommy Edman on the Cardinals in weird ways. His slash line is 252/315/372 with a OPS+ of 98, yet he ranks Fourth among all NL position players wiith a WAR of 5.0, better than Austin Riley, who's slashing 285/351/557 with an OPS+ of 147.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by packs

WAR is a weird stat for some people. Right now it's favoring Tommy Edman on the Cardinals in weird ways. His slash line is 252/315/372 with a OPS+ of 98, yet he ranks Fourth among all NL position players wiith a WAR of 5.0, better than Austin Riley, who's slashing 285/351/557 with an OPS+ of 147.

First off Edman's only .2 ahead of Riley so it's not like Riley is head-scratchingly low in WAR. Also he's a second baseman so his WAR is being generated by being compared to other second basemen, generally a weaker hitting bunch. Finally he's putting up a 2.8 D-WAR as compared to Riley's .3 so Riley, even by WAR is clearly the superior offensive player, but the totality has them about even in helping their team actually win games.

[packs]

But is that accurate is what I'm getting at. I don't think there is anyone who would look at each player and determine Edman is having a better season. His OPS is below replacement level.

I also think dWAR is a totally bogus stat that should be ignored and done away with. Look at Mattingly's dWAR. He was universally regarded as an all world glove at first base. His career dWAR is -6.2. That can't possibly reflect his play.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by packs

But is that accurate is what I'm getting at. I don't think there is anyone who would look at each player and determine Edman is having a better season. His OPS is below replacement level.

I also think dWAR is a totally bogus stat that should be ignored and done away with. Look at Mattingly's dWAR. He was universally regarded as an all world glove at first base. His career dWAR is -6.2. That can't possibly reflect his play.

If you believe WAR, it's accurate. If you don't, it isn't. Don't know how else to look at it. A 2.8 DWAR is Mark Belanger, Ozzie Smith level, especially considering the season isn't over. Couple that with better than average offense for his position (though as you pointed out slightly below average over all) and WAR says he has virtually identical impact on his team's win total as the offensive stud who is average in the field.

[frankbmd]

Ryne Duren won more games 27 than any other Ryne.
Ryne Sandberg hit the most triples 76, but only led the league once.
Ryne is a thirsty river in Europe.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

If you believe WAR, it's accurate. If you don't, it isn't. Don't know how else to look at it. A 2.8 DWAR is Mark Belanger, Ozzie Smith level, especially considering the season isn't over. Couple that with better than average offense for his position (though as you pointed out slightly below average over all) and WAR says he has virtually identical impact on his team's win total as the offensive stud who is average in the field.

But if dWAR isn't an accurate stat then how could a combination of oWAR and dWAR be accurate? Are you saying Mattingly was a negative impact on the field with a glove in his hand?

I'm pretty sure you saw him play same as I did. Did anyone ever say that?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by packs

But if dWAR isn't an accurate stat then how could a combination of oWAR and dWAR be accurate? Are you saying Mattingly was a negative impact on the field with a glove in his hand?

I'm pretty sure you saw him play same as I did. Did anyone ever say that?

He was great at handling throws, and he fielded what he got to. Range Factor says he got to less balls than the average first basemen. Garvey is another one who rarely made errors but didn't have much range so DWAR hates him.

[packs]

He led the league in range factor twice and fielding percentage 4 times. His fielding percentage is 8th best all time at first base. Despite all of these facts, he only posted a positive dWAR once his entire career.

So I do think there is a correction needed to the way that stat is determined.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

https://jeremylehrman.medium.com/dwa...n-3e24a187faf5

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by packs

He led the league in range factor twice and fielding percentage 4 times. His fielding percentage is 8th best all time at first base. Despite all of these facts, he only posted a positive dWAR once his entire career.

So I do think there is a correction needed to the way that stat is determined.

Mattingly appeared in the top 10 in MLB in Range factor at first base 4 times in his career. That's only 4 times he ranked in the top third of all first basemen. He led the majors once, had a 2nd place finish a 5th and a 10th. Over the course of his career he had below average range. If you want to focus on the two outlier seasons that's your prerogative.

Fielding percentage is a VERY flawed number as the guy who gets to nothing but fields the ball hit to him cleanly looks like a stud, whereas the guy who gets to balls the first guy never could, but correspondingly botches a few that the first player wouldn't have even tried for looks like a dog.

[packs]

My question was never what is the dWar of so and so. It was is dWAR at all accurate.

Let me throw this surprising fact (to being things back to topic) at you.

Cap Anson is number 2 all time in dWAR at first base. He made over 650 errors at first while playing in the dead ball era. How confident are you that he was truly the second greatest fielding first baseman of all time?

[BobC]

After well over 100 years of fighting against players and teams being involved and/or even associating at all with gamblers, MLB figured out a way to partner up and embrace working with the gambling industry so they can make even more money.

Oh wait.......this thread is supposed to be about things that are surprising and relatively unexpected. My bad.

[clydepepper]

This one is probably common knowledge:


Kirk Gibson was a two-time World Champion and won an MVP, but was never on an All-Star team.

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Hank Aaron, who wore #44, hit exactly 44 home runs in a season 4 times:

1957, 1963 when he was tied with Willie McCovey, 1966 and...

1969 when he was second to McCovey, who had 45.

McCovey also wore #44 and both he and Aaron were from Mobile, Ala.

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Warren Spahn wore #21, was born in 1921 and won exactly 21 games in a season 8 times.

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[G1911]

Rogers Hornsby won six slash triple crowns in a row (BA, OBP, SLG).

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by G1911

Rogers Hornsby won six slash triple crowns in a row (BA, OBP, SLG).

Damn, never realized that.
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[Casey2296]

♦ Hall of Fame pitcher Warren Spahn, in his career ...

Pitching: 363 wins — 356 with Braves, 4 with Mets, 3 with Giants
Batting: 363 hits — 356 with Braves, 4 with Mets, 3 with Giants
Playoff pitching: 4 wins
Playoff batting: 4 hits
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[Casey2296]

Stan Musial rapped out 3,630 hits during his 22 seasons with the Cardinals, the fourth-highest total in MLB history.

Musial, a model of sustained, consistent excellence during his Hall of Fame career, had exactly 1,815 hits at home and 1,815 hits on the road. And though he obviously wasn’t much of a stolen-base threat, he also had exactly 39 stolen bases at home and 39 on the road.
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[packs]

Bobby Richardson is the only World Series MVP to play for the losing team.

[seanofjapan]

Isao Harimoto is the only pro ball player to have ever had a nuclear bomb dropped on him.

He is also Japan’s career hits leader.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by seanofjapan

Isao Harimoto is the only pro ball player to have ever had a nuclear bomb dropped on him.

He is also Japan’s career hits leader.

That's good knowledge. Harimoto dropped a few bombs of his own on opposing pitchers.

[seanofjapan]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

That's good knowledge. Harimoto dropped a few bombs of his own on opposing pitchers.

For sure.

The guy has the most insane “overcoming adversity” back story of any athlete in history.

At 4 years old his right hand was crushed and burned when a truck ran over it, leaving it permanently disfigured.

So he became a lefty.

A couple years later he is in Hiroshima when the bomb drops, he only survived because his mom threw herself on top of him.

He spent the next week watching his sister slowly die of her injuries in the ruins of their home.

A few months later, after the war ended, his father got on a ship sailing to Korea to get a new job to support the family.

The ship sank and his father died, leaving the family completely destitute.

All this happenned to him before his tenth birthday.

Then he went on to play 20 plus seasons in NPB, cracking out more than 500 hone runs and 3,000 hits, the only Japanese player to ever accomplish both. All done with only one functioning hand and with the threat of cancer from the bomb developing at any moment.

Incredibly, he is still alive and kicking today. Biggest bad ass in baseball history as far as I’m concerned.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by seanofjapan

For sure.

The guy has the most insane “overcoming adversity” back story of any athlete in history.

At 4 years old his right hand was crushed and burned when a truck ran over it, leaving it permanently disfigured.

So he became a lefty.

A couple years later he is in Hiroshima when the bomb drops, he only survived because his mom threw herself on top of him.

He spent the next week watching his sister slowly die of her injuries in the ruins of their home.

A few months later, after the war ended, his father got on a ship sailing to Korea to get a new job to support the family.

The ship sank and his father died, leaving the family completely destitute.

All this happenned to him before his tenth birthday.

Then he went on to play 20 plus seasons in NPB, cracking out more than 500 hone runs and 3,000 hits, the only Japanese player to ever accomplish both. All done with only one functioning hand and with the threat of cancer from the bomb developing at any moment.

Incredibly, he is still alive and kicking today. Biggest bad ass in baseball history as far as I’m concerned.

Wow! Incredible story of resilience. Harimoto and Nagashima are my two favorite Japanese players. Can you post some Harimoto?

[seanofjapan]

A menko from his early years!

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

♦ Hall of Fame pitcher Warren Spahn, in his career ...

Pitching: 363 wins — 356 with Braves, 4 with Mets, 3 with Giants
Batting: 363 hits — 356 with Braves, 4 with Mets, 3 with Giants
Playoff pitching: 4 wins
Playoff batting: 4 hits
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THAT IS AMAZING!!!

Great Research!


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[packs]

Mark Lemke had 3,664 career plate appearances but was never hit by a pitch. It is the major league record.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by packs

Mark Lemke had 3,664 career plate appearances but was never hit by a pitch. It is the major league record.

Conversely, Hughie Jennings holds the all time record for HBP with 287.

[1952boyntoncollector]

didnt prince fielder and cecil fielder have equal amount of home runs? I too lazy to check

Also Pat Tabler hit better than anyone alive with the bases loaded..