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Old 02-14-2018, 12:44 AM
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Default The 1935 Babe Ruth Goudey card that never was

Thought I would like to share this cool piece, given we all try to get cards of the Babe at the beginning of his career as a Sox.

This was the photographic proof that Goudey was going to use for his 1935 premium, R309-2. Unfortunately, he was traded that year to the Braves from the Yanks, so Goudey never released the card and ended up hanging this proof on their walls until they shuttered.

Cool little piece of history of the card that never was, at the end of his career.

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Mmmmmmmm...really??
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another Milestone Auction special?
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I remember when this was at auction but didn’t sell. The image itself is from 1927 by Charles Conlon and used for 3 of his 1933 Goudey cards so I am not sure what the Red Sox connection is here.
These are not original photos. Below is the auction listing with more info. Hard to say what it is for sure by info given. If it could be proven a prototype, it is a cool conversation piece i guess.

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I am skeptical. For one thing, his name is in white, and all the others I've seen from that set have black lettering. Also, Goudey used the photo the previously year for a premium, and they removed the player in the background. Why would they put him back?
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I remember when this was at auction but didn’t sell. The image itself is from 1927 by Charles Conlon and used for 3 of his 1933 Goudey cards so I am not sure what the Red Sox connection is here.
These are not original photos. Below is the auction listing with more info. Hard to say what it is for sure by info given. If it could be proven a prototype, it is a cool conversation piece guess.

https://catalog.scpauctions.com/bids...e?itemid=43369

Yup, that was the same one, didn't sell because it did not meet the reserve price. I sold off 90% of my collection last year when I needed funds to buy a new house. This was part in that auction. Hence its hanging on my walls.
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Default Provenance of the piece

Posting this at the request of another member from PM. Wasnt meant to create controversy, thought it was a cool piece to share and wanted to show it off more than just something on my office.

Here is a certificate signed by Ruth's daughter that a Yankee card was being made in 1935 but was pulled when he was traded.

Cert from Ruth daughter that Goudey was making card.jpg

Here is the expert opinion on the photograph that it was extensively worked on for a proof and why it wasnt used after he was traded.

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Here is the type confirmation that the Ruth was of the same font type as the Goudey premiums

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And article from Sports Collector's Digest (500th issue) about the piece. Its truncated, will try to get a better picture of it along with other articles after work.

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I get the comments on the board, its unique.

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I don't believe the story one bit...the photo is from the 20's and was already used on 33' goudey...how could this be a "proof" for a 1935 card that never was. doesn't make any sense.
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now having seen the certificate...I still don't believe it!
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Well that's your opinion and you are right to it. Explain me the extensive markup on the piece; you kind of see it on the picture, but it is really apparent in person. And please read the letters before reserving judgement.

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