'Altered' vs 'Authentic' - confused

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

What I don't get is that they give a number grade to oversized cards but will not put a number grade to a card that they deemed to be unaltered from the factory. That is why I am curious to what kind of response the graders would give.

Lee

[pokerplyr80]

Sorry thought that was a general question we typically see around here. Didn't notice it was from an auction house and about a specific issue.

[pokerplyr80]

Sorry thought that was a general question we typically see around here. Didn't notice it was from an auction house and about a specific issue.

[jchcollins]

With the "new" SGC - they offer a checkbox that says "Encapsulate if Altered" and then another one for "A Only" when you simply want an item authenticated but not graded. If I check "A Only" and the card is altered, does anyone know if the slab will say "Authentic Altered" or will it just say "Authentic"? I'm sending the item in question in anyway, probably - but just curious.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

With the "new" SGC - they offer a checkbox that says "Encapsulate if Altered" and then another one for "A Only" when you simply want an item authenticated but not graded. If I check "A Only" and the card is altered, does anyone know if the slab will say "Authentic Altered" or will it just say "Authentic"? I'm sending the item in question in anyway, probably - but just curious.

I would NEVER check A only. If the item is able to get a numeric grade you want to try for that. If it is unable to, then you are happy to get it slabbed as "authentic".....at least I am!!

[Leon]

I also think there should be equality in grading!! If it is unaltered and authentic then give it a grade!! Big or small. Small cards need love too, especially if unaltered. TPGs should use their noggins.

Originally Posted by Sterling Sports Auctions

What I don't get is that they give a number grade to oversized cards but will not put a number grade to a card that they deemed to be unaltered from the factory. That is why I am curious to what kind of response the graders would give.

Lee

[luciobar1980]

This has always annoyed me. With comics, CGC will label a comic Restored and point out the specific things done. Why hasn't this hobby follow suit? So you buy an A card and you really have no idea why its been given that designation. Maddening.

[Fred]

Without having to read every post - Does SGC provide an "Authentic-Altered" flip? There was an example of this for PSA. If someone has an SGC "Authentic-Altered" flip, can you please post a picture/scan.

[mrvster]

this is what I have been complaining about for a long long time!

wtf.....why can't they simply send a report with the card??? or label the flip correctly???????

"AUTH" is supposedly just trimmed cards, or missing a lot of real estate...

"ALTERED"- is anything "done" to the card like , add material, coloring, glue, extra "paper" ect WHICH I HATE HATE BEING DONE TO A CARD! any manipulation or foreign added "stuff" makes it altered....

I will buy a "trimmed card" but will not buy an "altered" card....

I had this problem with 2 higher profile cards that I was eyeing up- one is psa and one is sgc.....one card looks like it had "coloring" added to a significant wrinkle on the front, BUT WAS JUST GRADED " AUTH" !!!!!!!! UGH!!the other just graded as "AUTH" also, but just appears to be trimmed.....the owner of both cards was confused himself....

this is the problem- list what is wrong on the backside of the flip like a bvg report on corners, edges, ect


like- COLOR ADDED/ ERASURE/ PAPER ADDED/ ECT ECT

so simple!!!!!! I guess these grading companies like to be vague , this way they can cop out and just generally state "auth" or "altered" with rarely an explaination



soooooooooo stupid


so why not put the correct concern on the flip?????????!!!!!

[JollyElm]

In the last group sub, I sent this Mantle in. Wasn't expecting a high grade or anything by any means, but when it came back as "authentic" I was befuddled. There was no explanation whatsoever...

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Someone theorized that perhaps some sort of factory miscut led to that particular grade, but who knows? No matter what the reason is for the label, the moment anyone sees the word "authentic," they are going to read it as "altered" or worse.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by mrvster

"AUTH" is supposedly just trimmed cards, or missing a lot of real estate...

"ALTERED"- is anything "done" to the card like , add material, coloring, glue, extra "paper" ect WHICH I HATE HATE BEING DONE TO A CARD! any manipulation or foreign added "stuff" makes it altered....

Technically, I think a trimmed card is an "altered" card because it was "altered" by trimming.

I guess most anything that is AUTH is probably altered in some way. A good example of AUTH could be a skinned OJ. I suppose you could say it was altered because the back is peeled off (by accident or on purpose - does it really matter). The card wasn't trimmed.... just thinned....

Ok, so what is an AUTH card?

There have been threads about just how much alteration should be allowed before it's just a Franken-card. Wasn't there a Wagner T206 that appeared to have the sides trimmed, but after the "alteration" (they called it "restoration") the card had a standard width... that is just crazy... it's not even the same card when that much "alteration" takes place.

[mrvster]

Agree 1000%

please read the wagner restoration thread....

absolute "creation" and "frankencard" a lot of work done to it , more than bruce jenner

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by Sterling Sports Auctions

What I don't get is that they give a number grade to oversized cards but will not put a number grade to a card that they deemed to be unaltered from the factory. That is why I am curious to what kind of response the graders would give.

Lee

It’s about perception.

[conor912]

You're not the only one.