91 Topps Variations

[4reals]

In my opinion 1991 was the craziest year in regards to variations and compound variations.

Here are some stat box back variations I found in a cello box. I even saw one through a pack so I left it unopened. The layout is what you would find on the back of a manager card.

[4reals]

Everyone knows about the Drabek and Hoiles white border variation but how about this Smoltz orange border variation?

[4reals]

Here's the Drabek and Hoiles in case you weren't aware

[4reals]

Bold 40th Logo & Non-Bold

[alfredoleal2001]

Im sure ive got a few and never even noticed them

[ALR-bishop]

Agree that building or even agreeing on what might constitute a full master set of the Topps 1991 set would be a lifetime effort. Even if you were to concentrate on just the backs or fronts it would be a journey. Plus there is the Desert Shield related set

[4reals]

Originally Posted by 4reals

Bold 40th Logo & Non-Bold

Bold logos appear on A* & B* sheets

Here is a quick cut & paste of the numbers that have bold logos:

10,13,28,29,30,35,36,37,44,47,48,50,51,52,54,62,63 ,66,69,72,76,80,82,83,85,86,90,94,95,96,98,100,105 ,114,120,123,134,139,144,145,147,153,155,
62,163,164,168,170,173,175,177,178,183,186,187,188 ,190,192,193,195,
199,202,206,208,212,213,214,216,217,218,220,222,22 3,232,235,237,240,
242,244,245,247,248,249,250,252,257,262,265,267,26 8,270,271,272,276,
282,284,285,290,293,295,297,298,302,305,307,312,31 4,317,319,320,322,
324,327,328,336,343,345,350,352,357,360,362,370,37 2,373,377,378,382,
384,385,409,413,415,418,420,421,422,424,431,432,43 5,440,445,447,448,
450,452,454,461,463,468,469,470,475,476,478,479,48 0,481,482,483,485,
490,494,496,502,505,509,511,513,522,524,532,535,53 8,541,542,544,546,
547,548,552,556,558,561,563,564,565,571,574,580,58 2,583,584,587,591,
595,597,598,610,617,621,622,624,642,644,647,648,65 0,653,655,660,664,
667,671,672,675,677,682,683,686,690,695,698,709,71 0,715,716,717,718,
719,722,724,727,728,731,732,736,738,746,755,756,75 8,763,768,773,774,
781,782,783,785,788,791,792

[4reals]

Here are those border variations that were mentioned.

#385 - Mickey Tettleton - can be found with full black inner border and upper gray and yellow border. Full black border is only found on non-glow back cards, upper yellow border found only on glow back cards. Both can be found with and without bold logos on back.

#461 - Robin Ventura - can be found with full red inner border and left gray inner border. Full red border is only found on non-glow back cards, gray left border found only on glow back cards. Both can be found with and without bold logos on back.

#695 - Kevin Seitzer - Can be found with full blue inner border and top yellow/green border. Full blue border is only found on non-glow back cards, green/yellow top border only found on glow back cards. Both can be found with and without bold logos.

#724 - David Segui - Can be found with full gray inner border and right blue inner border. Full gray border is only found on non-glow back cards, right blue border only found on glow back cards. Both can be found with and without bold logos.

[4reals]

Originally Posted by 4reals

Here are some stat box back variations I found in a cello box. I even saw one through a pack so I left it unopened. The layout is what you would find on the back of a manager card.

There seemed to be a little interest in the these STAT BOX BACK variations so I did a little searching and put together a list of examples that have been confirmed.

#150 - Cal Ripken Jr. - Sheet D
#294 - Mike Moore (pictured in the cello pack) - Sheet D
#534 - Mike Jackson - Sheet D
#573 - Rich Rodriguez - Sheet C
#659 - Oscar Azocar - Sheet C
#759 - Bobby Cox (Mgr.) - Sheet C
#778 - Danny Gladden - Sheet D

If anyone has others please let me know and I'll add it to this list. It appears all come from sheets C & D. If anyone has any full sheets they should start with those two. If any STAT BOX BACK variations are found on other sheets that would be a cool find.

SIDE NOTE - All 12 of mine are GLOW BACKS

[4reals]

Yeah, so, I get a little compulsive on this stuff and once I realized all stat back box variations were only from sheets C&D I set out to determine how many cards on each sheet had variations. It would have to be an even number. If there were four on one sheet there would be four on another. I found the attached file of sheet C doing a simple google images search. The sheet revealed five manager cards #s 321, 639, 759, 81, and 109. I also know from my own collection that #s 150 & 573 on sheet C have variations and a fellow collector showed a pic of #659 from sheet C with the variation. That makes 8 cards total. That would mean there should be 8 on sheet D. Unfortunately, I couldn't find an image of sheet D to compare. Hypothetically, all C-sheet managers should have variations, unless there is a manager in the same location on sheet D meaning the layouts would be a wash and no variation would exist. Of the 8 C-sheet possibilities, only two are unconfirmed with no pictured examples, #s 81 & 109.

I looked up all the manager cards on COMC and found five manager cards with sheet D codes. They are #s 351, 231, 519, 261, and 291. That would mean there are at least three others that aren't managers. All three are confirmed in my collection with #s 778, 534, and 294. There's the 8 on the D-sheet.

Now I needed to match them up without having a D sheet image to look at. Impossible? Well, I realized if you look closely at the numbers on the back of player cards you can see an overprint of the shadow where the other card's number got printed on it. It was tough to make them out but I found that...
#150 (Cal Ripken) has #351 (Joe Torre) printed on it.
#778 (Danny Gladden) has #321 (Bob Rodgers) printed on it.
#573 (Rich Rodriguez) has #231 (Doug Rader) printed on it.
#534 (Mike Jackson) has #639 (Frank Robinson) printed on it.
#659 (Oscar Azocar) appears to have #261 (Bud Harrelson) on it, though I'm not 100% sure on that one because I don't own a 659 variation and am basing it off of the pic in this thread.
#759 (Bobby Cox) is confirmed to have a variation so he has to match up with a player. The only player left would be #294 (Mike Moore)

That leaves (2) c-sheet managers and (2) D-sheet managers which could wash each other out if they are found in the same locations on the sheet. They are #s 81 (Gaston), 109 (Riddoch), 519 (Sparky Anderson), and 291 (Wathan).

To conclude:
I would love to see pics of variations of #s 351, 231, and 261. I'm confident they exist but they must remain unconfirmed until examples surface. #s 81, 109, 519, and 291 are also outside possibilities but I don't think they exist.

[4reals]

Side note - I was just thinking about the overprinted number thing. The stat back boxes might be limited to the 12 cards mentioned in the previous post, however, if the entire sheet was mixed up then that means there are variations for all cards on sheets C&D. I will try and find an example to show what I'm trying to say.

[mouschi]

nice detective work! It sounds like Canseco wouldn't have one then. I'll still be on the lookout though

[Laxcat]

Has anyone noticed that sometime in the print run the bold logo started to fade to give it a half finished look?

[4reals]

Originally Posted by 4reals

Side note - I was just thinking about the overprinted number thing. The stat back boxes might be limited to the 12 cards mentioned in the previous post, however, if the entire sheet was mixed up then that means there are variations for all cards on sheets C&D. I will try and find an example to show what I'm trying to say.

I gave up hope on this theory...kinda burned out on the whole thing right now. If someone else finds one let us know!