Local Auction help

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

AuctionZip is just a platform that enables live auctions to entertain internet bids in their auctions. Same as ArtFact, Proxibid, etc. The only thing AuctionZip sells is online auction capability to local auction houses. It makes no more sense to blame AuctionZip for someone selling forgeries than it does to blame eBay for selling you a fake autograph, or to blame Google for showing you where you can buy that fake autograph.

Identify and avoid the Local Auction Houses selling the fakes, not the software they use.

Otherwise, I expect to hear board members cursing HP for printing up all these fake autos and shaking their fists at Al Gore for creating that darned internet that sold the crap to them

Slight correction to the above: A part of Auction Zip is to allow online bids (through proxibid, I believe), but the main idea is to list available auctions on a certain day, MAINLY at a physical location, NOT online.

Blaming Auction Zip for the forgeries is like calling Fuddjcal a complete moron just because he doesn't understand the concept. OK, bad analogy.

[Deertick]

Told him the issues with the COAs being garbage, asked him to google Morales, CSC, Operation Bullpen, etc. He was willing to pull the items. He will call me tomorrow.

A couple of things:

• FBI said it needs to reach a monetary threshold to investigate. It is probably why this stuff is being dumped on small locals. Said to call State Attorney General. Operation Bullpen was a task force requested by the SAG.

• State Attorney General said I have to fill out a complaint (haven't done that yet)

• Apparently this stuff is again originating in FL and getting shipped all over, with a lot of reports coming in from PA, also in small auctions

• I threw Richard's name around as a reputable expert.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Deertick

Told him the issues with the COAs being garbage, asked him to google Morales, CSC, Operation Bullpen, etc. He was willing to pull the items. He will call me tomorrow.

A couple of things:

• FBI said it needs to reach a monetary threshold to investigate. It is probably why this stuff is being dumped on small locals. Said to call State Attorney General. Operation Bullpen was a task force requested by the SAG.

• State Attorney General said I have to fill out a complaint (haven't done that yet)

• Apparently this stuff is again originating in FL and getting shipped all over, with a lot of reports coming in from PA, also in small auctions

• I threw Richard's name around as a reputable expert.

Thanks oh so much .
That is ok, I have helped bring down scum before and am in the midst of doing it again now.
Always willing to help.

[slidekellyslide]

Because of ebay's crackdown on forgeries or autos without JSA/PSA certs the next logical step was for these crooks to move to local auction houses to move their forgeries. I would not be surprised if this is a somewhat organized effort and this stuff is being moved all over the country by a few individuals.

[Deertick]

Hasn't called me back, items are still listed. Several have pre-bids. Local TV investigative reporter says he is too busy with the tax refund fraud and will get back to me when he has the resources. Newspaper is interested, so maybe that is the way to go.

Does anyone have any ideas on getting a fire under this? Other than being a pain in the ass. I got that covered.

[RichardSimon]

Based on past experience if there is a local Dept Of Consumer Affairs in the area, I found them more than willing to jump into action.
If that does not work, try local law enforcement.

[Wymers Auction]

Auctionzip Live has tons of really good auctions. One of my favorites on the baseball side is Fusco's. This dealer had a decent auction without the autos. I know some auctioneers do not specialize in autos and sell them anyways. They only realize they are not real when the complaints roll in. An experienced auctioneer investigates all claims pottery, artwork, autos, etc.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Deertick

Blaming Auction Zip for the forgeries is like calling Fuddjcal a complete moron just because he doesn't understand the concept. OK, bad analogy.

supporting Auction Zip in anyway shape or form, when you KNOW they do absolutely nothing about forgeries on their site makes them complicit f'ng criminals. I don't care what else they do.

I would never frequent a site or buy 1 effen thing off it when they help to perpetuate crime & fraud. Offering forgery after forgery on their platform and doing nothing is criminal IMHO....So enjoy you're f'd up Auction zip... and everything they do. I don't need to know anything else they do.

Here's another anology for you: " come shop @ AuctionZIP where not one autograph is real...not ONE, ZIP", but you can use us for other things!!! No Thanks. There's a concept for you

[yanks12025]

I don't think you understand what auctionzip is!! It helps you find auctions, yes they offer a live bidding part but AGAIN AUCTIONZIP is not the one selling the items. And if you actually look at the site and look for auctions, you'll see there's real autos and not all fake.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

I don't think you understand what auctionzip is!! It helps you find auctions, yes they offer a live bidding part but AGAIN AUCTIONZIP is not the one selling the items. And if you actually look at the site and look for auctions, you'll see there's real autos and not all fake.

I do hear what your saying, but when I look at autographs there that I once was interested in, they are ALL FAKE.

I don't understand why I would want to use their platform for autographs. I'm sorry I'm not understanding. I see forgeries everywhere and not one real one????? Why TF would I use this platform for anything??? Would I buy a Rolex from them. NO. Would I buy my wife a handbag there. NO, I would not buy a f'ing thing from anyone of their sellers or auctions or whatever they are called. Why TF should I try and filter through all their fakes??

I choose to NEVER use a site like that where criminals have more items than good sellers. Sorry, If you want to understand it more than me, go ahead and use them. I would not give that outfit 1 more second than I have already wasted on it. If I want something. I go down to the store and buy the f'ing thing. I DON'T NEED AUCTION ZIP OR PROXI BID OR ALWAYS FAKE AT AUCTION...NONE OF THEM FUDD NEEDS!!!!!

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

I DON'T NEED AUCTION ZIP OR PROXI BID OR ALWAYS FAKE AT AUCTION...NONE OF THEM FUDD NEEDS!!!!!

I agree. Just stick with Craigslist or Charity Auctions. They're the only safe places I've found.

[Wymers Auction]

Deertick are you kidding me!!! Charity auctions are some of the worst percentage of fake autos!!!

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Wymers Auction

Deertick are you kidding me!!! Charity auctions are some of the worst percentage of fake autos!!!

James, I believe Jim was being sarcastic.

I know we got LLP Auctions booted, but Proxibid has done nothing beyond that. I sent them four emails with auctions that I suggested they remove and they've done nothing.

So, in my opinion, they deserve all of the free advertising we can give them.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Deertick

I agree. Just stick with Craigslist or Charity Auctions. They're the only safe places I've found.

LOL ....and don't forget e-bay!!!!!