Show...me...your print variations!

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Cliff, from the scan is almost looks like the "ball" is brighter (less dull) white than the white border. Does it appear the same in hand?

I'm convinced the white area in the ball wasn't filled in in any way, either someone very carefully erased the "P" or it was printed that way.

[savedfrommyspokes]

While the scans do not show this print variation as crisply as it appears in hand, these two copies of this 71 214 Al Ferrara card both have what I will call a streak of horizontal white lightening. Just above Al's hands, in between the right edge and light tower, is a squiggly white print line that looks as if it could be a horizontal bolt of white lightening out beyond the Shea stadium fence striking the light tower. .

[ALR-bishop]

Saved-- saw some on eBay and COMC

[savedfrommyspokes]

Al, I just looked quick and found these two on COMC, and with even quicker look on ebay, I did not see any.

[ALR-bishop]

I picked up one on COMC. On eBay I had to open up the listings and use the enlarge feature to see it

What I have not been able to find is one of the 72 Aaron IAs that you posted awhile back

[JollyElm]

Even though it appears as if someone spilled something on top of this card, it still has its original gloss and is just a weird print variation. Pretty cool.

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[ALR-bishop]

The Incredible Lopez, in the midst of changing

[JollyElm]

Another wildly miscut 1970 HOF'er…
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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Another wildly miscut 1970 HOF'er…
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Cool card, any idea who the Dodgers player is?

[nolemmings]

Cool card, any idea who the Dodgers player is?

Alan Foster?

[JollyElm]

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!!

It appears to be card #369, Alan Foster. But there's more!! In quickly researching it, I noticed a black mark on Alan's cap, so I investigated further and sure enough, it's another frickin' variation!! His card comes both with and without that big, black mark on his hat.

Here are a couple examples. Check it out…
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[savedfrommyspokes]

With this print variation, there are two small extra clouds appearing a ways off in the sky....fortunately for the Pirates, these extra clouds are far away and do not look like rain clouds.

[moeson]

I don't believe this one was reported before. Neither version seems scarce.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by moeson

I don't believe this one was reported before. Neither version seems scarce.

Nice find, first time I have seen it....this print variation does appear on Richard D's list.

[savedfrommyspokes]

With weird print variations on or near players necks, I noticed this one....a small scribbled looking area on Fred's neck just above the blue border. For those who like to color coordinate, there is a second version of this mark that appears more red(3rd image). With this marking appearing intentional, I am not sure what Topps was trying to accomplish as there appears to be nothing to cover up on the non-marked version.

[4reals]

The variation missing part of his name and left border are roughly 1:20

[ALR-bishop]

I kept looking at the name at the top and wondering what was missing

Also, the 1973 did not help things :-)

[savedfrommyspokes]

Here is a partial "blackless" card ala 82s.....just like a regular card, sans the black border around the "1969 Rookie Stars"....any ideas on this card?

[ALR-bishop]

Yep. Very tough variation. Listed in SCD, or at least it was. I have one and have seen several posts over time by folks looking for it

edited---it is also on the PSA master checklist

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Yep. Very tough variation. Listed in SCD, or at least it was. I have one and have seen several posts over time by folks looking for it

edited---it is also on the PSA master checklist

Thank you Al for the info. Richard's variation list mentions a version of this card with a "line around title"....likely the same variation then.

[Sliphorn]

I'm new to posting on this site so I hope Al will fix the glitches. Assuming the jpegs got attached, here is the run down.

1963 #81 Schaeffer with the yellow vertical line is not the only one to exist.

1963 # 256 Lumpe has margin gaps.

1960 #112 Harshman has copyright issues.

1959 #59 Noren has a white spot on the "r' on "Irv" and this is common on many.

1956 #213 Tigers has a margin shift to the right on the lower version (notice the logo).

1953 #283 Hogue has an overprint issue.

Enjoy.

[ALR-bishop]

Tom---welcome

Warning to others....through 1963 he is relentless and will wear you out

[Sliphorn]

FYI, it is through 1964 so watch for the color variations.


Here is another 1956 margin shift.

[Sliphorn]

Addicted is probably a better description. "Card Junkie".

[ALR-bishop]

I was talking about the cards, not the perceptive folks who collect them

[savedfrommyspokes]

From the 62s...this is another recurring print variation that stands out much better in hand than in a scan. This O'toole card can be found with print spot that appears to be either a misplaced "white mustache" on O'toole face, or an enlarged breath right strip .

[ALR-bishop]

Good one

[savedfrommyspokes]

In keeping with the theme of green spots on 62 Topps cards, with the 522 card, on about 1 of 3 copies, Lindy's hand has green spot.

[ALR-bishop]

Can not remember if posted earlier, but the 61 Lindy has green marks in grass between his legs. Irish thing ?

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Can not remember if posted earlier, but the 61 Lindy has green marks in grass between his legs. Irish thing ?

Might be a connection. Maybe the next Lindy print variation will have either a leprechaun or pot of gold hidden in the card's image.

[ALR-bishop]

Here are my 3 61 Lindy's. The orange between leg and arm is easy, but it is hard to see the small green speck on the middle upside down one near same location

[savedfrommyspokes]

Found this 71 Gaston with and without the orange band on the left forearm....looks like about 1 of 10 copies on ebay and COMC have this band. There are even two varieties of this card as the band is shifted to the left on some copies as seen in the second image.

[ALR-bishop]

Can not recall if this was posted, The one without the orange dot in the loss column is the harder to find

[David W]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Can not recall if this was posted, The one without the orange dot in the loss column is the harder to find

Funny how a small dot is a variation, but the totally different color of the backs is not?????

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Can not recall if this was posted, The one without the orange dot in the loss column is the harder to find

Nice find....First time I have seen that variation personally,...Richard D's list does mention it, so he has heard of it from some where.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by David W

Funny how a small dot is a variation, but the totally different color of the backs is not?????

In most cases, the color of the backs is due to a variance in card stocks that Topps used and not a print variation. There are many collectors who do collect the various different colored backs (IE 56s, 59s 60s, etc)....less prevalent are the collectors who collect the more subtle stock variances like seen with the 6th series from the 66 Topps set.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Not sure if this 57 Bailey print variation has been mentioned before, however, there is a recurring blue print mark along the lower right edge.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Found this recurring print variation on the back of the 57 358 Jerry Lynch card.....the printing along the left edge of the back is missing.

[ALR-bishop]

As I recall there is a recurring front defect on his 60 card too. I will see if I can find it

[savedfrommyspokes]

Al, that would be interesting to see the 60 Lynch variation.

Meanwhile, found this recurring print variation on the 61 234 Lepcio card. On the front, to the far right edge of the blue team box, there is a vertical sliver of white.

[ALR-bishop]

Similar to your Lepcio, white line between tan and green

[savedfrommyspokes]

Nice Al, now I have another print variation to find.

[swarmee]

So I was browsing COMC and submitted an error that a 1954 Preacher Roe card had an ink mark at the top and shouldn't be in the raw bucket, and they actually noted it as a print variation. Searched for it in this forum, but didn't get a hit so I figured it might be new to you guys.


1954 Bowman #218.2 - Preacher Roe (Ink Loop in Sky)
Courtesy of COMC.com

Regular one:

1954 Bowman #218 - Preacher Roe [GOOD]
Courtesy of COMC.com

They have three of them on site (two of Dean's), so that's how they were able to assign it a print variation. Doesn't look like PSA notes it, since there are only 5 graded of any 1954 Bowman Preacher Roe.

[ALR-bishop]

The Roe variation, and the similar Erskine variation in the same set, are listed in the SCD Standard Catalog and discussed by Bob Lemke on his Blog. They seem to involve errant autos from cards above on the sheets they were on

Green print is over the black mark scribble which is dull. I'm glad I saved it

Normal back

[JollyElm]

Are you certain the black is legitimately under the green text?? With the relative 'slickness' of the green ink as compared to the super absorbency of the dull, non-coated cardboard, it seems likely the card was written on by a kid with a magic marker and it isn't some bizarre printing variation. That would account for the black marker being murky on top of the green words. Occam's razor and all that. Plus, there was no black ink (black plate) involved in the printing of 1975 Topps backs.

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Are you certain the black is legitimately under the green text?? With the relative 'slickness' of the green ink as compared to the super absorbency of the dull, non-coated cardboard, it seems likely the card was written on by a kid with a magic marker and it isn't some bizarre printing variation. That would account for the black marker being murky on top of the green words. Occam's razor and all that. Plus, there was no black ink (black plate) involved in the printing of 1975 Topps backs.

I did a test on a 75 common card with a black marker, the ink covered the letters.Also when you look at the Gibson card at different angles under a bright light with a 10x jewelers loupe the mark is behind the green letters

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by rgpete

I did a test on a 75 common card with a black marker, the ink covered the letters.Also when you look at the Gibson card at different angles under a bright light with a 10x jewelers loupe the mark is behind the green letters

I have found that a 1200dpi or better scan works much better than a small 10X loupe. Also compare the black ink on the back of your card to the black ink on the front of another 75 Gibson card under a cfl, halogen, and black light to make sure the ink reacts the same under those 3 different light sources. Some swear by only black lights, I find them to be the least useful unless the card was altered by a modern marker/ink.

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