T206 Sovereign 150 backs

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

For the sake of not hijacking the EPDG thread anymore, which T206s do you have with Sovereign 150 backs. I have a whole 3 in my 500 plus.

Conroy, Ganley,L. Tannenhill.

We may really be uncovering the true scarcity of of the little appreciated backs.

Scot Reader, Did you keep track of backs and series?

Lee
Lee

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Posted By: RayB

It appears as if I have Ames/Portrait, Goode, Keeler/Portrait, and Shipke in Sovereign 150 Back out of about 120 cards.
RayB

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Posted By: rob

I also have 3, but out of about 250 or so:

Tinker - port
Schlei - catching
Davis - H. Davis on front



Rob

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Posted By: steve yawitz

Five out of about 175 T206's:

Beaumont
Hinchman, B.
Jordan, T. (Portrait)
Leifield (Pitching)
Williams

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Posted By: warshawlaw

out of about 100 cards.

BTW, how many Sovereign 460s out there?

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Posted By: barry arnold

out of nearly 400, NONE!!!!

another great mystery unfolding, Lee!

barry

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Posted By: Rob NYC

I have 2 out of the 30 some odd T206s I have.

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Posted By: Martin Neal

Out of 475 t206s:

Sovereign 150 series:
J. J. Clarke
Marquard-arms at side

Sovereign 460 series:
Schulte- back view
Chase-black hat

Again, I thought I would have had more of these.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Here are my only Sovereign backs:

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Posted By: T206Collector

...but they're exhausting for non-back collectors like me to answer. I'm going to have to catalog the backs (brand, series, factory, overprints, etc.) so that I can just do a simple search each time. I know many of you do this, but I just haven't cataloged the backs yet in my spreadsheet that keeps track of all the fronts I have and the grade of the card.

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Posted By: Bill

Lee,

Here are the cards that I have with a Sovereign 150 back. I also just traded a M. Brown Cubs with a Sovereign 150 back.

Ball (New York)
Bates
Bergen (Batting)
Brown (Browne, Chicago)
Chance (Portrait, Red)
Chase (Throwing White Cap)
Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (Green Background)
Covaleski
Criss
Evers (Cubs on Shirt)
Evers (Portrait)
Ferris
Hinchman (Cleveland)
McGraw (Finger in Air)
Niles
Overall (Portrait)
Stone
Turner

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Posted By: Bill

Here is the list of Sovereign 460's that I have:

Crandall (Portrait, With Cap)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (Hands at Waist)
Lake (St. Louis, Ball in Hand)
Merkle (Throwing)
Murray (Portrait)
Oldring (Batting)
Pfeffer
Schlei (Portrait)
Schulte (Back View)
Sheckard (Glove Showing)
Smith (Brooklyn)
Tannehill (Tannehill on Front)
Wiltse (Portrait, With Cap)

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Posted By: Rich Jacobs

Only one out of about 100, and that's a 460: McGraw, glove at hip

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Posted By: JimB

555 T206s
4 Sovereign 150's: Burch, Hemphill, Nichols, Rucker
4 Sovereign 350's
2 Sovereign 460's

JimB

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Posted By: Richard

As with the EPDG, these fronts made it into my 30-card T206 collection because of their backs:

150 Subjects - Shipke
350 Subjects - Merritt
460 Subjects - Tannehill, Washington

Regards,

Richard.

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Posted By: Scott T

Sovereign 150 Series make up 1.67% of my collection (8 of 480).

1) Whitey Alperman
2) Doc Crandall (Portrait – No Cap)
3) Bull Durham
4) Kid Elberfeld (New York)
5) Ed Konetchy (Glove above Head)
6) Vive Lindman
7) John McGraw (Finger in the Air)
8) Jack Powell


Scott

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Posted By: Steve M.

150 1 card Owen
350 5 cards
460 2 cards

Out of 263 toal T206

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Out of about 515 T206s;


Sov 150
Bergen, Bro
Donovan, Det portrait (it has back damage, series # is peeled away)
Ewing, Cinc
Killian, Det
Kling, Chi
Konetchy, StL glove high
Lindaman, Bos NL
O'Leary, Det

Sov 350
Bender, Pha no trees
Hoblitzell, Cinc
McCormick, NY NL fielding

Sov 460
Lake, StL
Wheat, Bro

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Out of my 611 t206 cards the following are Sovereign

SOV 150

CYoung (port)
Keeler (port)
Crandall
Mullin (horiz)
Powell (horiz)

SOV 350

Crawford (bat)
Jennings (2 hds)
Bradley, Doyle, Kleinow, Overall, Pfeister, Irv Young

SOV 460

Duffy, Crandall, Ford, Howell, Lake, Latham, Meyers, Schlei, Schaefer,
Schulte, Seymour, Sheckard, Wiltse

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Posted By: Ray Piskadlo

3 Sovereign's...

150: Matty portrait and Hinchman
460: Howell (hand on hip)

Hey Ted, Frank's got Ewing and Lindaman in Sov. 150... you can add those to your 150 checklist. Scott has a Lindaman too.

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Lee,
Just got back from a trip. I will post a substantive response when I get a chance. Probably tomorrow. Short answer is that I did keep track of backs and series.
Scot

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Posted By: ockday

out of about 600 t206's i have..

sov 150..beaumont, parent, pattee, schaefer detroit
sov 350..birmingham, rhoades right arm out, sullivan
sov 460..gandil, hummell, tannehill

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Posted By: Cat

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Posted By: Bill

I have always liked the Sovereign back and American Beauty. Guess I'm partial to green. I have 538 total cards and here is all my Sovereign backs:

150 Series

Ball (New York)
Bates
Bergen (Batting)
Brown (Browne, Chicago)
Chance (Portrait, Red)
Chase (Throwing White Cap)
Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (Green Background)
Covaleski
Criss
Evers (Cubs on Shirt)
Evers (Portrait)
Ferris
Hinchman (Cleveland)
McGraw (Finger in Air)
Niles
Overall (Portrait)
Stone
Turner


350 Series

Abbaticchio (Brown Sleeves)
Abbott
Armbruster
Bell (Hands above Head)
Brown (Browne, Washington)
Burke
Burns
Bush
Byrne
Carr
Casey
Cassidy
Chance (Portrait, Yellow)
Chase (Portrait, Blue)
Cobb (Bat on Shoulder)
Crawford (Throwing)
Devlin
Donovan (Throwing)
Dubuc
Elberfeld (Portrait, New York)
Evers (Chicago on Shirt)
Fiene (Portrait)
Fiene (Throwing)
Flanagan
Fromme
Goode
Hall
Hannifan
Jackson
Jennings (Both Hands Show)
Jennings (Portrait)
Johnson (Portrait)
Jones, F (Hands at Hip)
Joss (Pitching)
Joss (Portrait)
Keeler (Batting)
Killian (Portrait)
Kleinow (New York, Catching)
Kleinow (New York, With Bat)
Knight (Portrait)
Knight (With Bat)
Konetchy (Glove Low)
Krause (Portrait)
Kruger
Malarkey
Mathewson (Dark Cap)
McIntyre (Detroit)
Merritt
Moriarty
Oberlin
O'Brien
Oldring (Fielding)
Overall (Hands face Level)
Phelan
Phelps
Poland
Quillen
Randall
Raymond
Schmidt (Portrait)
Seymour (Batting)
Shaw (Providence)
Sheckard (No Glove Showing)
Snodgrass (Catching)
Speaker
Wallace
Weimer
White (Buffalo)
Wiltse (Portrait, No Cap)
Wright
Young (Glove Shows)

460 Series

Camnitz (Hands above Head)
Crandall (Portrait, With Cap)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (Hands at Waist)
Lake (St. Louis, Ball in Hand)
Merkle (Throwing)
Murray (Portrait)
Oldring (Batting)
Pfeffer
Schlei (Portrait)
Schulte (Back View)
Sheckard (Glove Showing)
Smith (Brooklyn)
Tannehill (Tannehill on Front)
Wiltse (Portrait, With Cap)

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Lee,
I don't have time to look this week, but I know 2 off the top of my head:

Mathewson White Cap
McQuillan Field

Be well Brian

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Posted By: Drew

Sovereign 150
Dahlen (Boston)
Gibson
Ball (NY)
Beaumont
Bergen (Bat)
Niles
Sullivan

Sovereign 350
13

Sovereign 460
Bergen (C)
Meyers
Schaefer (Washington)



Drew

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Posted By: T206Collector

Out of 520, I've got 4 Sovereign 150's:

Reulbach W/ Glove
Murphy Throwing (Horiz.)
Seymour Batting
Shaw

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Posted By: joe

Crawford throwing Sovereign 350
Mullen Pitching Sovereign 150
Rossman Sovereign 350
Schaefer Sovereign 150

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Posted By: Bob Donaldson

Out of about 450

Sovereign 150
Elberfield Port
Magee Port
Shipke

Sovereign 350
Bell Hands above
Collins Phil
Hinchman Toledo
Knabe
Malarkey
Meyers

The following are Sovereigns w/ paper loss on back. I can't tell the number of subjects
Ames
Hemphill
Huggins

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Posted By: robert a

Hi Lee,

Here are my sovereign 150s:

Chance Red Portrait
Cicotte
Crandall No Cap
Mathewson Portrait
Mathewson White Cap
Willis Portrait
Cy Young Portrait

Robert

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Posted By: Mike Brailey

I have 6 Sovereign 150's out of 329 T206's. They are:

Clarke with bat
Davis, George
Elberfield - Portrait
Pelty - Horizontal
Tannehill
Wagner - bat on left shoulder

Hope that helps,
Mike

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

Sovereign 150-13
Sovereign 350-17
sovereign 460-10

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Posted By: Jim Novotny

Out of 150 cards I have 3 150s

Bull Durham
Fielder Jones Hands at hips
Harry Covaleski

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Lee,

Here are the T206 subjects I have confirmed with Sov150:

Abbaticchio (Brown Sleeves), Alperman, Ames (Portrait), Beaumont, Bell (Hands High), Bender (Portrait), Bergan (Batting), Birmingham, Bowerman, Bradley (Portrait), Bresnahan (Portrait), Bridwell (Portrait No Cap), M. Brown (Portrait), Burch (Batting), Chance (Portrait Red), Chase (Portrait Pink), Cicotte, F. Clarke (Holding Bat), Cobb (Portrait Green), Cobb (Bat On), Covaleski, Criger, Criss, Dahlen (Boston), H. Davis (H on Front), J. Delehanty, Devlin, Donovan (Portrait), Dooin, Doolin, Dougherty (Portrait), L. Doyle (Throwing), Durham, Elberfeld (N.Y.), Evers (Batting Cubs on Shirt), Evers (Portrait), Gibson, Griffith (Portrait), Hahn, Hemphill, Herzog (N.Y.), B. Hinchman, Jacklitsch, Johnson (Portrait), F. Jones (Portrait), T. Jordan (Portrait), Karger, Keeler (Batting), Kleinow (With Bat), Kling, Kontechy (Glove High), Lajoie (Portrait), Lajoie (Throwing), Lake (N.Y.), Leach (Portrait), Lumley, Magee (Portrait), Manning (Batting), Mathewson (Portrait), Mathewson (White Cap), H. McIntyre (Brooklyn), Mullin (Throwing), Murphy (Throwing), Nicholls, Niles, O'Leary (Portrait), Owen, Parent, Pelty (Horizontal), Powers, Reulbach (Glove Shows), Rucker (Portrait), Schaefer (Detroit), Schlei (Catching), Schmidt (Throwing), Schulte (Front View), A. Shaw, Scheckard (No Glove), Shipke, F. Smith (F on Front), Stone, Sullivan, L. Tannehill (L on Front), Tenney, Tinker (Portrait), Waddell (Portrait), Wallace, Walsh, D. White (Portrait), Williams, Willis (Pittsburg).

Scot

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Posted By: Mike Ernst

I have, out of 580 T206's, all collected prior to 1975, with no regard to backs:
3 Sovereign 150, including Spencer, which is not on Scot's list
12 Sovereign 350
2 Sovereign 460

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Posted By: dd

6 out of 450+ T206's

Donovan port
Kling X2
Keeler port
F. Jones port
Weimer

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

Scot,

Add these to your list of confirmed Sovereign 150

1.Ball (N.Y.)
2.Chase (white cap)
3.Crandell (no cap)
4.Donohue
5.Lindaman
6.Merkle (portrait)

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Posted By: Mike (18colt)

Out of my 510, 5 are Sovereign 150:

Camnitz (arms folded over chest)
Davis (George, HOFer)
Donohue
Jacklitsch
L. Tannehill

Out of those same 510, I only have one Sovereign 460 (Geyer). I also have 19 Sovereign 350 backed cards (10 minor leaguers, 9 major leaguers).

Mike (18colt)

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Posted By: John S

Lee,

Out of about 100, 3 Sovereign 150's

Niles
Schulte (Cubs shirt)
F. Smith

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Posted By: scott brockelman

Here's my listing.

Dahlen, Boston
Doyle, Throwing
Gilbert
Jacklitsch
Young, Cleveland No glove

also have a bender portrait.

I have quite a few 350 & 460 series as a few years ago i bought a group on nearly 500 T206's of which 90% were Sovereign backs

Scott

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Scot R.

I have 25 - Sovereign 460 cards and they all are from the 460-only Series;
which, as you know, comprises just 48 cards.

So, my question to you....are Sov460 backs just available from this series,
or can they exist with all cards in the 350/460 Series ?

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

I found a 9th Sov 150 in my pile of cards. Powers.

I found it while looking to see what was on the back of my Schaefer Detroit card, in a different thread (P 150).

I got an extra Powers because I figure he's a bit more difficult than normal cards. He died while the cards were out, I figure it is likely some kids threw his card away after he died. I recall as a kid in my early collecting days those first few years, I'd toss the old guys who had retired over to one side... they weren't as interesting to me after they were out of baseball.

So I figure maybe the printers quit printing them for the Tobacco Trust, or maybe kids tossed them, but it seems there are fewer Powers cards out there than there are of some of his contemporaries.

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Posted By: T206Collector

I missed Elberfeld, NY Port. So, out of 520, I've got 5 Sovereign 150's:

Reulbach W/ Glove
Murphy Throwing (Horiz.)
Seymour Batting
Shaw
Elberfeld NY Port

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Posted By: Brian E.

I have one Sov 150, a Green Cobb.

Brian E.

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Hi Ted,
Sov460 backs are possible only on the 460-only subjects and the six 350/460 superprints. The six superprints are Chance Yellow, Chase Blue, Chase Dark, Cobb Red, Evers Yellow and Matty Dark. Sov460 backs are NOT possible on the 350/460 regular prints. The same goes for Sweet Cap 460/30--this back is only possible on the 460-only subjects and the six 350/460 superprints. I wrote about this in Inside T206.
Scot

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Posted By: William Heitman

My count--75 Sovereign 150's.

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Posted By: Elliot

My count:
3 150's.....Camnitz (arms folded), Dooin, Walsh
12 350's
1 460

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Posted By: Zach S.

I found 2 out of about a 100 or so.

M. Brown (port.)
Bresnahan (port.)

Zach

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

Pretty steep price but I don't think I have ever seen a Sovereign back on a Kling card:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8825746129&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEDW%3AIT&rd=1

Scot, were there any in your reesearch?

Lee