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Old 05-11-2019, 08:23 PM
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Default Ugly Nick Senzel Auto

I think Nick Senzel has one ugly signature. But among his ugly sigs, this one has to be one of the worst. The cursive S looks nothing like his "better" signatures.

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Old 05-11-2019, 08:45 PM
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Surely this man knows how to spell his own name and could write it out.
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:40 PM
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This has bothered for me for some time now. Not just this guy, but modern players today in all sports. SIGN YOUR FRIGGIN' NAME!! I get that today's players are crushed with autograph requests. I don't know if players feel rushed or just don't care or both. I'm not saying you need an "A+" in penmanship, but I should be able to make out who the player is. All these signatures with a single letter and a couple slashes...ugh. Take some pride in your name. The fact that these guys can't take 5-7 seconds to sign a legible signature borders on stupid.
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Old 05-12-2019, 07:01 PM
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This has bothered for me for some time now. Not just this guy, but modern players today in all sports. SIGN YOUR FRIGGIN' NAME!! I get that today's players are crushed with autograph requests. I don't know if players feel rushed or just don't care or both. I'm not saying you need an "A+" in penmanship, but I should be able to make out who the player is. All these signatures with a single letter and a couple slashes...ugh. Take some pride in your name. The fact that these guys can't take 5-7 seconds to sign a legible signature borders on stupid.

Keep in mind that many schools no longer even teach cursive writing; everything is done on a computer. On the off-chance that something is written on paper, it's printed.

Basically, we have failed our children over the last couple of generations, by not teaching them how to write.

Spelling and grammar are other areas where we've failed the current generation or two. Just look on Facebook, twitter, and other social media. Heck, even the big news agencies like CNN and Fox News are littered with obvious spelling and grammatical errors. Too many words are simply shortened, abbreviated, or turned into an acronym. Basic spelling and grammar have been discarded.

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Old 05-12-2019, 07:38 PM
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That is a VERY good point. Young adults today don't even use cursive...like you said because schools have stopped teaching it. Still, you should be able to at least sign a legible signature. Heck, my old boss (young adult) signed our checks with an "S" and 2 loops...so annoying.
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Old 05-12-2019, 08:05 PM
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Too many words are simply shortened, abbreviated, or turned into an acronym. Basic spelling and grammar have been discarded.

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I don't disagree with much of your analysis. I think not teaching cursive is a major problem, not just for signature use, but also because I believe it increases writing technique quality. But as for shortening words, this is an idea that is well over 100 years old. There used to be classes you could take to learn shorthand, abbreviations, acronyms, etc. My grandma (now in her 90s) somehow learned that, and when she sends me letters, I must not only decipher her cursive handwriting but I must also figure out what her shorthand means. Her shorthand goes way beyond the still widely used signs such as: w/, w/o, b/c.
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Old 05-12-2019, 08:25 PM
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My daughter was interested in cursive, so I showed her the basics of the letters. I'm not sure if school is teaching it, but she knows it now.

And she picked up a few other details too.

She was getting a birthday card ready for one of her classmates parties. I asked if she wrote her name in it too, and she said "I didn't write my name, I signed it"
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:51 AM
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If you want to collect art, buy art. A signature is nothing more than your mark. It's easily identifiable if you know what mark to look for regardless of what the letters are.
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I can't help but wonder if players sign legal papers (contracts, &c.) the same way they sign autographs...
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Old 05-19-2019, 08:53 PM
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I can't help but wonder if players sign legal papers (contracts, &c.) the same way they sign autographs...
I can't say about any players, but I know I don't sign documents the same way I sign general day to day type stuff.

And what I think of as my "formal signature" probably wouldn't pass anyone here, since I go a lot slower than if I'm scrawling my name to receive a package.
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This has bothered for me for some time now. Not just this guy, but modern players today in all sports. SIGN YOUR FRIGGIN' NAME!! I get that today's players are crushed with autograph requests. I don't know if players feel rushed or just don't care or both. I'm not saying you need an "A+" in penmanship, but I should be able to make out who the player is. All these signatures with a single letter and a couple slashes...ugh. Take some pride in your name. The fact that these guys can't take 5-7 seconds to sign a legible signature borders on stupid.


Thats the thing though, I’m not even sure some players are literate. Wander Franco’s auto looks like he doesn’t know the difference between a C and an L.


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Old 06-03-2019, 09:51 AM
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I sign checks at work, hundreds of them all the time in one sitting. I only sign my first name and it still takes forever. If I had to sign thousands of cards in one sitting I'd want to write as little s possible too.
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I sign checks at work, hundreds of them all the time in one sitting. I only sign my first name and it still takes forever. If I had to sign thousands of cards in one sitting I'd want to write as little s possible too.
Exactly! I feel bad for the players in this regard. My understanding is that they typically have to sign in front of a rep of the card company and may have to sign 1,5, or 10K cards in just a day or two. If it were me I would prefer to sign ~100-200 cards a night and take my time but if I were rushed it would probably be first initial, line, second initial line. PreWar players usually have beautiful signatures but they weren't bombarded with autograph requests like today's players are so they could take their time when signing.
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Old 06-03-2019, 07:43 PM
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Don't feel bad for the players. If they have to sign 10,000 cards for some major company, it's because they agreed to do so...and for good money. Signing checks for your employees or signing for the UPS guy..sure..scrawl your name, nobody cares...BUT when you are signing an autograph for a fan, somebody who admires you..then yes, you need to take pride in your signature. A slash and a scribble tells me, the fan, you don't give a sh*t. As far as signing multitudes of cards for some company, how about this.. accept less money, agree on a reasonable number of cards and sign a respectable signature. But for this generation of entitlement and gimme, gimme, gimme for players in all sports/ multibazillion dollar contracts...I doubt taking less money for anything is in their vocabulary.
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Old 06-04-2019, 08:04 AM
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How much do you think players get paid to sign autographed cards? I have to think the per card payment is probably pretty low considering that volume is so high.

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Old 06-05-2019, 09:15 AM
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Truthfully, I have no idea. I would think it would have to be pretty good for them to take the time and effort to even do it.
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Old 06-05-2019, 12:25 PM
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I guess it could go either way. Someone coming out of the draft might be happy just to have a baseball card at all. I can't imagine anyone gets rich off signing inserts alone though.
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