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Old 04-07-2018, 08:06 PM
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Cards #13 Comes in 3 versions
(1) Hoeft name Yellow with Red triangle to the right of the Tigers emblem
(2) Hoeft name White with a yellow triangle
(3) The rarest Hoeft name White with a Red triangle

There are photos of all 3 versions earlier in this thread
So the one I have is the regular version with the white name/red triangle being card 535 in the set?
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Mike -- what is your definition of a true variation ? Would it include the 58 Herrer, the 57 Bakep, the 52 Campos Black Star, the 67 Moeller white streak, the 61 Fairly green in the ball on the back ?

Do you know one when you see one or rely on someone else to tell you what are true variations . No offense intended , who would have thought the 61 Fairly would be a recognized variation. Would the Herrer and Bakep make the cut post Internet ? Should there be a hobby accepted definition of a variation ? Collect what you like . I do. Hobby recognition does drive value, but is the 61 Fairly a print dot in your view ?

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Old 04-07-2018, 09:24 PM
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No I don't know much about variations.
I am simply trying to complete my 3 sets.
The 1959 and 1960 are definite on what is the complete set.
I have found, however, that 1958 is not so defined.
I have decided to go for the full "master set", and just need to know what that is.
I appreciate all of the input. I am now more clear on what to focus on.

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Mike -- what is your definition of a true variation ? Would it include the 58 Herrer, the 57 Bakep, the 52 Campos Black Star, the 67 Moeller white streak, the 61 Fairly green in the ball on the back ?

Do you know one when you see one or rely on someone else to tell you what are true variations . No offense intended , who would have thought the 61 Fairly would be a recognized variation. Would the Herrer and Bakep make the cut post Internet ? Should there be a hobby accepted definition of a variation ? Collect what you like . I do. Hobby recognition does drive value, but is the 61 Fairly a print dot in your view ?
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Old 04-07-2018, 09:32 PM
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Enjoy the quest Avalanche.
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Could someone please post scans of the 1958 Topps contest cards? I don’t believe I have ever seen them, thanks.
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I have seen July 8, but not June 30.
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1958 Topps - Bazooka Contest #NoN - Baseball Contest [Poor*to*Fair]
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The June 30 date is on the back.
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Avalande 2006 - Don't worry about all the print variations. These are never listed as legitimate variations, merely print or ink variations. If I see a big dot on a card I usually throw it out , these cards were always considered damaged ( lower condition) by my customers when I was a full time dealer.

I've been collecting since the 1950's and a 1958 Topps Master Set would be considered complete "by most" at 535. Basic set is 494 + 33 color variations + 4 Team Checklists ( alpha or Numberical # 377,397,408 and 428 ) + Herrera correction/error and # 13 Hoeft (also a "orange" triangle variation by foot ) ( which are the only print variations in this set the hobby has accepted over time) + contest card + felt emblem Insert card ). That's 535. Plus a Wrapper would be nice to finish off the set !!!! Let us know if you get to this level !!! Good Luck Collecting ! The 1958 Set was my first complete set as a kid !

Note: I don't believe a stray dot here or there on a card will ever be listed in any price guide I know of. Please advise if wrong, I didn't stay at an Holiday Inn Express recently.
Wish I was one of your customers with access to your garbage can. I agree with your description of them not being real variations but I am one of many that collect print errors.

Here are a couple of my favorite 58's. Both have had some "work" done to them.
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1958 Topps - Bazooka Contest #NoN - Baseball Contest [Poor*to*Fair]
Courtesy of COMC.com

The June 30 date is on the back.
I need to see the back.
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I remember when the 1962 Topps "Green" variations were considered trash and most were thrown out by Topps. I received a caseload in the '70's I think it was from a dealer Woody Gelman ??? out of New York area. I think he got a lot of the print and scrap from Topps.

I agree everyone should collect what they enjoy !!! It's a great hobby with a lot of unique collecting options ( specific player, Team, variations, specific year, specific company , food issues etc, etc.)
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