Gehrig 1925 Exhibit

[orly57]

The '25 exhibits isn't a postcard. It is postcard-size, but not a postcard. It is blank-backed.
How about if it were just as tall, but thinner like a Namath rookie? Or does it need to be small like a T206, but no bigger than a 52 topps? Does it need stats or bios on the back? Are blank-backs "cards" in your opinion? How about redemption cards with coupons that were to be traded for ice cream? Does it need advertising, or does it have to come with gum or tobacco to be a card? With bread? With candy? In a magazine? In packs of hot dogs? Do you consider T3's to be cards? Stahl Meyer (oversized)? Or what about Old Judge Cabinets? Are those "cards?" Please tell me what a baseball card is. I thought it was cardboard images of players which were distributed to the public.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by orly57

The '25 exhibits isn't a postcard. It is postcard-size, but not a postcard. It is blank-backed.
How about if it were just as tall, but thinner like a Namath rookie? Or does it need to be small like a T206, but no bigger than a 52 topps? Does it need stats or bios on the back? Are blank-backs "cards" in your opinion? How about redemption cards with coupons that were to be traded for ice cream? Does it need advertising, or does it have to come with gum or tobacco to be a card? With bread? With candy? In a magazine? Do you consider T3's to be cards? Or what about Old Judge Cabinets? Are those "cards?" Please tell me what a baseball card is. I thought it was cardboard images of players which were distributed to the public.

[irv]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by orly57

The '25 exhibits isn't a postcard. It is postcard-size, but not a postcard. It is blank-backed.
How about if it were just as tall, but thinner like a Namath rookie? Or does it need to be small like a T206, but no bigger than a 52 topps? Does it need stats or bios on the back? Are blank-backs "cards" in your opinion? How about redemption cards with coupons that were to be traded for ice cream? Does it need advertising, or does it have to come with gum or tobacco to be a card? With bread? With candy? In a magazine? Do you consider T3's to be cards? Or what about Old Judge Cabinets? Are those "cards?" Please tell me what a baseball card is. I thought it was cardboard images of players which were distributed to the public.

Jay didn't say the Gehrig was a postcard. He said he didn't think postcards OR exhibits were baseball cards.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jay didn't say the Gehrig was a postcard. He said he didn't think postcards OR exhibits were baseball cards.

How about if it were just as tall, but thinner like a Namath rookie? Or does it need to be small like a T206, but no bigger than a 52 topps? Does it need stats or bios on the back? Are blank-backs "cards" in your opinion? How about redemption cards with coupons that were to be traded for ice cream? Does it need advertising, or does it have to come with gum or tobacco to be a card? With bread? With candy? In a magazine? In packs of hot dogs? Do you consider T3's to be cards? Stahl Meyer? Or what about Old Judge Cabinets? Are those "cards?" Please tell me what a baseball card is. I thought it was cardboard images of players which were distributed to the public.

Fixed for Peter
And to clarify, the card on the left is not really a card, but the one on the right is.

[botn]

There was just a great thread on what a "rookie card" is. This will never be agreed upon. However it is pretty clear the consensus of the hobby is that the 25 Exhibit is Gehrig's rookie.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by botn

There was just a great thread on what a "rookie card" is. This will never be agreed upon. However it is pretty clear the consensus of the hobby is that the 25 Exhibit is Gehrig's rookie.

I think that's right; 10 years ago it may have been less clear but Exhibits have become generally accepted by most hobbyists.

[RedsFan1941]

for what it's worth -- and apparently not much -- the whiteness of the exhibit Gehrig also struck me as odd when I saw it online in the auction

[BeanTown]

Make sure you know it's a 1925 Exhibit and not a 1926. Can't trust any holder from any TPG on the Gehrig rookie Exhibit. I hear PSA uses a consultant to help identify/figure out what the actual designation and year is on them now.

Orlando valid points and looking forward to Jays response. Would make for a great discussion to talk about 19th century cards and then compare to postcards and exhibits. Guess we can't use the SCD "Baseball Card" price guide as it prices out many 19th century items along with postcards as they felt everything belong in the baseball guide.

Interesting strategy someone is doing on the LOTG Gehrig as it went from 15k to over 40k with just 2 bids. Does that really stop people from bidding on it who really want to win it?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Thanks Orlando. As far as the rest of it goes, I don't think there is really any good way to define a card, someone could always find some inconsistency in your definition. Not sure why it matters, as the old cliché goes, CWYL. Anyhow there were tons of debates on this question back in the days when Hal Lewis was obsessed with collecting rookie cards of HOFers, and I think some of Phil Garry's posts provoked some good discussions too.

Anyone wanna talk about the SGC 60? Seems not.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by orly57

Fixed for Peter
And to clarify, the card on the left is not really a card, but the one on the right is.

And the card on the right... just who is that Pipp guy?

Never heard much of him after Gehrig...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by orly57

The '25 exhibits isn't a postcard. It is postcard-size, but not a postcard. It is blank-backed.
How about if it were just as tall, but thinner like a Namath rookie? Or does it need to be small like a T206, but no bigger than a 52 topps? Does it need stats or bios on the back? Are blank-backs "cards" in your opinion? How about redemption cards with coupons that were to be traded for ice cream? Does it need advertising, or does it have to come with gum or tobacco to be a card? With bread? With candy? In a magazine? In packs of hot dogs? Do you consider T3's to be cards? Stahl Meyer (oversized)? Or what about Old Judge Cabinets? Are those "cards?" Please tell me what a baseball card is. I thought it was cardboard images of players which were distributed to the public.

Could it be a blank backed postcard? The debate over what a card is will never be settled because it can't be...

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[Frank A]

Well the latest Gehrig exhibit rookie, a SGC 60, (5), just sold at LOTG for the sum of $82,419. I guess there's no dought that his card prices are holding for real