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Old 12-26-2017, 05:13 PM
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You can't have first half rules and second half rules. The rules have to be the same throughout the game.

Why?
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Old 12-26-2017, 05:19 PM
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I believe the rule was written to prevent players from intentionally trying to fumble the ball forwards into the end zone. But as often as the rule has come up this year I think it will be revisited in off season meetings and hopefully changed.

As for the extra point at the end of the game the solution is easy. Give the team the option to decline the try.
They dont get credit for the additional yards (or stoppage of time) on a fumble forward and/or out of bounds anymore during certain point of the game and there is time runoff as well i believe.
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Old 12-26-2017, 05:20 PM
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I know that if it is blocked and returned it only counts for 2 points. What happens if the exchange is not clean or the center snaps it over the holders head and it is returned the other way....is that still only 2 points?

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correct..thats why in my fact pattern i said if its more than a 2 more point lead..
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Old 12-26-2017, 05:27 PM
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The PAT should be retired. 2 point conversion only. If the complaint is that that takes a strategic choice out of the game, then have a 3 point option for something likely to succeed only say 1 in 10 times -- a 60 yard field goal, or a play from scrimmage from the 30, or whatever the statisticians calculate.

As far as kickoffs, I agree the sailing into the endzone is a total bore. What if the kicking team had to punt instead? Not many guys going to punt it into the end zone from 65 yards out.
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Old 12-26-2017, 05:31 PM
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The PAT should be retired.
I used to think the same thing. But now they've moved it back, it does make it more interesting. It's not so automatic anymore and you see a lot more missed PATs now than you did a couple years ago before they moved it back.
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Old 12-26-2017, 05:33 PM
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I used to think the same thing. But now they've moved it back, it does make it more interesting. It's not so automatic anymore and you see a lot more missed PATs now than you did a couple years ago before they moved it back.
Even so, it's still boring as heck.
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Old 12-26-2017, 05:53 PM
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The Las Vegas Industrial Complex would never allow the NFL to ban the meaningless PAT because that meaningless PAT often has great meaning to sports books.
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You can't have first half rules and second half rules. The rules have to be the same throughout the game.
The rules change for OT. Penalties are assessed differently in the last two minutes of regulation. There's no reason the league couldn't impart common sense to change the rules at the end of the game as well.
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I used to think the same thing. But now they've moved it back, it does make it more interesting. It's not so automatic anymore and you see a lot more missed PATs now than you did a couple years ago before they moved it back.
5% of PATs are missed now i think

what you do lose is the fake PAT and go for 2..that you used to be able to do...
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Old 12-26-2017, 08:54 PM
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Penalties are assessed differently in the last two minutes of regulation.
No, penalties are assessed differently in the last two minutes of both halves, not just regulation. So my point is still the same. Rules have to be the same for each half.
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