PSA Response from President Steve Sloan

[JeremyW]

I wonder if SGC was at the top of the grading mountain would they be in the same @#$%storm that PSA is in?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

I wonder if SGC was at the top of the grading mountain would they be in the same @#$%storm that PSA is in?

Since there's almost no profit incentive in sending cards to SGC (compared to PSA and BGS), SGC will be largely unscathed from this scandal.

They were the smartest people by shuttering the auto authentication arm, either by chance or by intention.

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

I wonder if SGC was at the top of the grading mountain would they be in the same @#$%storm that PSA is in?

Of course it is true. I think all TPGs are equally competent (or incompetent). In a way, PSA is a victim of their own success. If SGC cards were trading at a premium in the market I’m sure the majority of the doctored cards would have been submitted to and graded by them.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Of course it is true. I think all TPGs are equally competent (or incompetent). In a way, PSA is a victim of their own success. If SGC cards were trading at a premium in the market I’m sure the majority of the doctored cards would have been submitted to and graded by them.

Jay maybe so, it's a hard hypothetical to test.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jay maybe so, it's a hard hypothetical to test.

It would be fun to watch SGC cards start to command higher prices than PSA, but that won't happen any time soon. It is possible though.

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

It would be fun to watch SGC cards start to command higher prices than PSA, but that won't happen any time soon. It is possible though.

Or maybe old-style PSA flips will become more in vogue, since those were submitted over 10 years ago before this was going on?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by scooter729

Or maybe old-style PSA flips will become more in vogue, since those were submitted over 10 years ago before this was going on?

Who says it wasn't?

[dwinters]

Shouldn’t this type of statement be released by the ceo through an official pr?

[Goudey77]

Interesting point brought up. Will this be a loophole for PSA’s guarantee?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

Interesting point brought up. Will this be a loophole for PSA’s guarantee?

They're not the ones who trimmed it? What kind of excuse is that? They could use that excuse for all wrong doing. "We weren't the ones who re-colored it." "We weren't the ones who rebuilt the corners" "We weren't the ones that chemically cleaned it." How lame! Then what does their guarantee cover?

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Of course it is true. I think all TPGs are equally competent (or incompetent). In a way, PSA is a victim of their own success. If SGC cards were trading at a premium in the market I’m sure the majority of the doctored cards would have been submitted to and graded by them.

You're probably right, but I've always given SGC more credit for the 19th Century cards.

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

You're probably right, but I've always given SGC more credit for the 19th Century cards.

Who is better, the economist who predicted two of the last four recessions or the economist who predicted six of the last four recessions?

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Who is better, the economist who predicted two of the last four recessions or the economist who predicted six of the last four recessions?

The latter. More accuracy.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

The latter. More accuracy.

I think that's right. 2/3 as opposed to 1/2

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Who is better, the economist who predicted two of the last four recessions or the economist who predicted six of the last four recessions?

Originally Posted by JeremyW

The latter. More accuracy.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think that's right. 2/3 as opposed to 1/2

Is there a joke in there or a reference that I'm not getting? 6 of the last 4 recessions? Did you mean 4 of the last 6 recessions?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

I wonder if SGC was at the top of the grading mountain would they be in the same @#$%storm that PSA is in?

DING DING DING we have a winner. Of course the doctors are going through PSA and to a lesser degree Beckett (for modern). That's where top dollar is. SGC's position saved them in this case.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

DING DING DING we have a winner. Of course the doctors are going through PSA and to a lesser degree Beckett (for modern). That's where top dollar is. SGC's position saved them in this case.

But would they have caved into the corruption of passing obviously corrupted cards along to their registry people?

[irv]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

DING DING DING we have a winner. Of course the doctors are going through PSA and to a lesser degree Beckett (for modern). That's where top dollar is. SGC's position saved them in this case.

I also think, because SGC grades tougher, that people use PSA knowing they are likely to get a higher grade.

I also remember reading of at least one guy on here who is/was purchasing SGC graded cards, busting them out, sending them to PSA and receiving higher grades.

I am unsure how much money he is making, that is his business, but I know he wouldn't continue to do it if it wasn't at least a bit lucrative.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by irv

I also think, because SGC grades tougher, that people use PSA knowing they are likely to get a higher grade.

I also remember reading of at least one guy on here who is/was purchasing SGC graded cards, busting them out, sending them to PSA and receiving higher grades.

This debate again? Sgc did NOT take centering into account when they began grading cards. Submitted if oc or mc PSA cards could have an accurate grade when submitting to sgc. Since the new regime took over, they have taken it into account , and therefore wont honor the old grades. Nobody seems up in arms about this, maybe PSA should just sell the co and not honor any old grades.

If sgc is tougher, wouldn't people be more willing to buy them, cross to PSA, then sell them? Why would PWCC and co only buy PSA cards and try to restore them, Instead of sgc cards which were "already graded stricter"

This is not the case, maybe they have graded less altered cards, but certainly not tougher on the whole!

Sorry for the rant, but a few people (not you Irv) must literally have no job, or have a slow week at the office. I cant read any threads here or blow without seeing 5 posts every hour by the same people.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

This debate again? Sgc did NOT take centering into account when they began grading cards.

That's because, unlike SGC collectors, PSA collectors need someone to tell them their card is OC or MC. They're rely on the flip to tell them that because they can't think for themselves. SGC collectors don't need that. They can look for themselves and judge the centering of the card.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That's because, unlike SGC collectors, PSA collectors need someone to tell them their card is OC or MC. They're rely on the flip to tell them that because they can't think for themselves. SGC collectors don't need that. They can look for themselves and judge the centering of the card.

I agree, and was shocked when I heard a PSA 7mc, would now be an sgc 30!

So why did they change their standards, and wont honor the old grades? Just because someone bought them out, and they dont want the old baggage?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

a few people (not you Irv) must literally have no job, or have a slow week at the office. I cant read any threads here or blow without seeing 5 posts every hour by the same people.

Slow week.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That's because, unlike SGC collectors, PSA collectors need someone to tell them their card is OC or MC. They're rely on the flip to tell them that because they can't think for themselves. SGC collectors don't need that. They can look for themselves and judge the centering of the card.

Originally Posted by swarmee

Slow week.

Slow and weak

[gzman]

This posted on CLCT website 15 years ago...How many alterations have been done, and, sold, since then?
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...1955-aa-orouke

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by gzman

This posted on CLCT website 15 years ago...How many alterations have been done, and, sold, since then?
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...1955-aa-orouke

That's exactly the point! Thank you for finding this. The notion that this was an "isolated" issue is insulting. Moser's cards are everywhere by now, and we all have them in our collections. PSA can't put the genie back in the bottle. Time for a better mousetrap.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by gzman

This posted on CLCT website 15 years ago...How many alterations have been done, and, sold, since then?
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...1955-aa-orouke

Well, probably many thousands by now....