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Old 09-13-2018, 05:27 PM
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I am thoroughly enjoying reading this thread. As a fan of the 1974 set, it is great to see this much discussion. I realize that the design and lack of rookies has not endeared this set to many. However, this thread shows that it is, at the very least, one of the more intriguing sets of the decade.
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Old 09-13-2018, 06:03 PM
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Well, I think it's time to show some cards. I love the 1974 set!!!! Here's a sampling of the cool shots...

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Old 09-13-2018, 06:18 PM
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I've always thought 1974 was a great set - I'd put it at 4th best of the 70s after 78, 72, and 76.

I started collecting in 1978, so 74 was one of those sets I first discovered looking through a big old shoe box full of loose cards belonging to a friend who began collecting before me. The first card I ever owned was a beat-up Gail Hopkins of the Royals.

Here are just a few of way to many favorites I have to list (sorry if they are duplicates of those already listed -for some reason I can't see those). And yes, Hopkins is here.
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Old 09-13-2018, 07:22 PM
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This is my favorite along with the Ryan and Schmidt

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Love the pics of cards. The 1974 Ryan and Seaver cards are my favorite pitcher action shots of all time.
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The Billy Williams card always bugged me. What the heck is going on with all that yellow in the background?
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The Billy Williams card always bugged me. What the heck is going on with all that yellow in the background?
I believe they just wanted to offer some contrast so that you could make out Billy clearly, although it's not the greatest shot of him anyway, IMO. The Fisk bears a little of the same trait.

I always loved the design of the 1974 set. Actually, I find the set as a whole to be one of my favorites from the decade---'71 is maybe nicer when found in high grade and no chipping. Underrated because of the lack of star power rookies, IMO. The Aaron subset was really cool back in the day.
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Lead times were a lot longer then. Plus the process was much slower than it is today. Everything had to be proofed so it was ready to go, and Topps did a LOT of proofing. Our place did maybe one photographic proof, and that was about it. Topps did several different types of proofs all the way through the design process.

The actual printing would have taken a while, but probably not months for the initial runs. Then packing would have been a bit longer. And all that would have to be timed with other products, like other sports, and whatever non- sports they were doing to fill in the gap between seasons. Hockey and basketball would have been active products, and maybe wacky packs? I forget what was out there overall. Plus printing for some non- card products.
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Then they'd have to pack and ship orders. Some places do it in big batches, others do it package by package. There may have been a date that wholesalers had to wait for before shipping. Or retailers may have simply held off until the season began. Not a major issue for big chains, but the local convenience store would probably wait till the season, and for a couple other things to sell out first.


One of my friends families owned a 5+10 when I was in High school, in 1981 I convinced him that they should carry all three brands of cards. They did, but around the season opener. The local card shop had had them since I think February. The sales cycle was still pretty much the same then.
Thanks Steve. It still seems kind of baffling to me that they couldn't wait 2-3 weeks and see if the Washington thing was really likely to happen, given the lawsuits and conditions that needed to be met.

Has anyone seen a proof of sheet #5? I ask because Denny Doyle, who had been traded December 6, is shown with his new Angels team in the regular set, while Jim Mason, traded the same day, is not, and both are included in the higher numbers (#552 and #618) and Mason is shown with his new Yankee squad on the traded set. The Doyle card is a nondescript shot of him with some minor sort of airbrush job, almost certainly swapped out late from a better photo. I wonder if the proof sheet would show a different pic of Doyle. Also seems they could have corrected Mason in the regular set but chose otherwise. Since all of their "trades" were completed just 5 days after December 6, 1973, it makes you wonder why they couldn't wait another week, although maybe the plan all along was to have a traded set and they needed to fill it with players.
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I'm sure their printing deadlines were very tight back then, needing to get the thing done and out before moving on to the next endeavor. They probably didn't have the luxury of waiting another week to finish up...much to our dismay decades later.

Your Doyle/Mason conundrum reminds me of how Topps treated the Jim Fregosi/Nolan Ryan trade in the 1972 set. Fregosi had his regular card and received a 'coveted' Traded card in the high series, while The Ryan Express only appeared once, as an airbrushed member of his new team, the California Angels, in the regular set. A real shame.
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I'm sure their printing deadlines were very tight back then, needing to get the thing done and out before moving on to the next endeavor. They probably didn't have the luxury of waiting another week to finish up...much to our dismay decades later.

Your Doyle/Mason conundrum reminds me of how Topps treated the Jim Fregosi/Nolan Ryan trade in the 1972 set. Fregosi had his regular card and received a 'coveted' Traded card in the high series, while The Ryan Express only appeared once, as an airbrushed member of his new team, the California Angels, in the regular set. A real shame.
Fregosi was a 1st series card. Nolan Ryan was a 5th series card. The traded cards were 6th series. In fact, 5 of the 7 traded cards were 1st series cards with only McLain (2nd series) and Carlton (4th series) coming later. You also have to look at when these trades occurred. Most happened between Nov 29 and Dec 10, so by then the 1st series must have been too far a long to get players on their new teams. the McLain trade (Mar 4) and Carlton trade (Feb 28) were even later, so by the end of Feb., Topps must have been too far along with the first 4 series. Ryan was traded on Dec. 10, so being 5th series that would have been enough time to get him on the right team. The 6th series was late enough to catch McLain getting traded on March 4.
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