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Old 08-06-2018, 04:07 PM
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As a "collector' since the 1940's I find this entire thing of grading and now some kind of stickers etc. one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of. No, I get it. Those of you who are in love with plastic instead of the product itself good bless you but you are REALLY hurting those of us who truly love what USED to be the "hobby".
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Old 08-06-2018, 04:12 PM
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I understand your position but this has been more than a simple hobby for a long time now and with the money changing hands and as bad as it was getting in the late 80's early 90's something had to be done. Counterfitters and all kinds of card doctors running wild. yes i know some doctors still exist and get by the companies from time to time but it is still vastly above where we were back then. Its not going to be going anywhere. It may adapt or change some in time but i believe it is here to stay and has entered almost every collectibles field where any kind of serious money is changing hands. they even slab vintage video games now.
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Old 08-06-2018, 04:44 PM
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Congratulations on a long collecting career I’m sure your collection and collecting stories are fantastic. As a collector since the 70s I appreciate your sentiment however baseball cards transcended just being a hobby 40+ years ago. TPGs were inevitable as purchasing became predominantly without ever having the card in hand. There are many many reasons TPG came into being, one being those dealers in the monthly periodicals who would describe vg cards as nm -mt.
It was terrible. I think , like it or not, TPGs will continue to evolve as technology and collector preference allows. Plastic or not, most of us have a strong passion
for cards and an appreciation for those that collected before us.

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Old 08-06-2018, 04:48 PM
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As a "collector' since the 1940's I find this entire thing of grading and now some kind of stickers etc. one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of. No, I get it. Those of you who are in love with plastic instead of the product itself good bless you but you are REALLY hurting those of us who truly love what USED to be the "hobby".
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I've told this story before, but went with my friend in college to sell his Montana rookie. The guy told him it was in terrible shape and he's lucky to offer him anything for it.

A day later, there is was, sitting in the case marked as MINT.

Just last week went to look at a '75 Topps set the dealer said was NM. Not even close.

I like the TPG.


Still, plenty of raw cards out there.

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Old 08-06-2018, 04:56 PM
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As a "collector' since the 1940's I find this entire thing of grading and now some kind of stickers etc. one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of. No, I get it. Those of you who are in love with plastic instead of the product itself good bless you but you are REALLY hurting those of us who truly love what USED to be the "hobby".
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How are people that buy graded cards hurting you and your raw card collecting?

While I am not in love with graded cards in plastic, I do buy graded cards most of the time, as the cards I purchase are very high end. I want to make sure (to the best I can) that I am not getting stuck with a fake or altered card. I also want to get the best looking card I can afford.

The local card shops have long since closed. That leaves me the internet. Like the previous poster mentioned, if someone is describing a card as excellent, you want to make sure you get a excellent card, not something that barely passes for good.

In my opinion, the card manufacturers from about the mid 90s to present, are responsible for all but pricing kids out of a great hobby, with the fancy cards and cuts etc.
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Old 08-06-2018, 04:57 PM
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As a "collector' since the 1940's I find this entire thing of grading and now some kind of stickers etc. one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of. No, I get it. Those of you who are in love with plastic instead of the product itself good bless you but you are REALLY hurting those of us who truly love what USED to be the "hobby".
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Iíve been burned waaaaaay too many times to stick with solely purchasing raw cards. If I canít hold the card, eyeball it under a loupe and black light, even give the cardboard a good whiff, Iím sorry but I wonít buy it. And since the majority of my purchases are via the World Wide Web, I have a ton of graded cards. Donít get me wrong ó I prefer a raw card simply for the nostalgia. But to place the blame for the commoditization of your childhood is misguided. Most of us donít own cards that we busted out of the pack 70+ years ago, so buying graded cards is an evil necessity. And if my graded-card purchases is ďhurtingĒ you, then I sincerely apologize.
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Old 08-06-2018, 05:57 PM
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As a "collector' since the 1940's I find this entire thing of grading and now some kind of stickers etc. one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of. No, I get it. Those of you who are in love with plastic instead of the product itself good bless you but you are REALLY hurting those of us who truly love what USED to be the "hobby".
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I guess I'm odd because I actually like both graded and raw cards. I have a lot raw that I can feel and see up close with a loupe. This helps me get comfortable with what a legit card is like so I don't get burned when buying other raw cards. But I also like many of my HOFers to be graded to protect them and to give them their own display in a way.

What I wanted to ask you though, Sealmark, is how are people who collect graded cards "REALLY" hurting you? You emphasize that statement so I just wondered if you could expand on it a bit.

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Old 08-06-2018, 06:27 PM
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I'm not a big guy on professional grading and find some of the aspects foolish and overdone. However, I do see the good idea of having an independent opinion on authenticity and condition when you're talking about online sale between two people one thousand miles apart.
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I wish TPGs weren't necessary, and I would prefer they didn't exist. However, dishonesty in the hobby made the rise of TPGs inevitable. Who among us didn't buy a "NM" card from a listing in Tuff Stuff or SCD only to get a card in the mail that was EX at best?? Collectors got tired of being burned. True, there are shenanigans with grading, but I can buy a graded card on ebay for a set I am working on and have a pretty good idea of what I am getting. This is tough for me to say/admit, but it is true.
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In my opinion, the card manufacturers from about the mid 90s to present, are responsible for all but pricing kids out of a great hobby, with the fancy cards and cuts etc.
There are definitely corners of the hobby that have been priced out to kids, and also collectors like me, but I don't think this is anything new. I started collecting in the 80s and did not grow up with much money, and even then I couldn't afford all the rookie cards I desired.

Sure, kids today (and myself) can't afford a 1/1 Otani super refractor auto relic diamond-encrusted whatchamacallit, but even if not every card is within reach, there are plenty of ways for kids and collectors on a budget to collect.

I just bought a few pack of Topps Big League, a new set for beginner collectors, and I'm going to give them to my 5-year-old to rip and tear. Looking forward to seeing how we each like them. And in the National thread, there was a fantastic story about a collector and his 12-year-old who went and spent $50 on cards, creating great memories. Not everyone needs the limited print run variation stuff to have fun collecting.
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