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Anyone have any idea who the player pictured on this card is? Several sites list this card as featuring Cy Young (https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Galler.../6453/Cy-Young). Sorry if this has been discussed before. I did a search of this site and came up empty handed. Cy Young is listed as the manager of Huntington, but all other Virginia Valley League rosters seem to be incomplete.
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I just looked on Newspapers.com, and found that the Virginia Valley League was in existence only in 1910. It was formed in March 1910, and it's season ran from May - September. The teams were in West Virginia and Kentucky. In February 1911 it was renamed the "Mountain State League".

I could only find two references to Huntington's manager. One id'd him as "Si" Young, and the other as "Cy" Young. Considering that Denton T. "Cy" Young pitched in 21 games for Cleveland in 1910, and the two cities are around 250+ miles apart (no other AL city was any closer to Huntington, WV), I find it highly improbable that the two "Cy" Youngs are one and the same.

Interestingly, I found a story in the Point Pleasant (WV) Register of 22 June 1910, titled "Cigarette Pictures". It reads:

"The members of the different teams in the Virginia Valley League will be well known in a few days, especially by the cigarette smokers, and to a large number of youngsters who save the pictures from the cigarette packages. The manufacturers of a grade of cigarettes have asked for the pictures of the players in the different teams in the league and they will put them in the packages of cigarettes. The different teams have been posing for the camera during the last few days."

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I just found another story in the June 29, 1910 Point Pleasant (WV) Register, where it talks about Joe Mack, who was the player/manager for Point Pleasant. It mentions the game the previous day, against Huntington. It reads in part:

"Few people that witnessed the game at League Park yesterday, knew that the man playing second base for the "Pointers" has a history as interesting, or even more so than the renowned diamond star, "Cy" Young, the Boston American idol. This man, Joe Mack, known from the gulf to the coast as "Reddy" Mack....." It goes on to say that Joe Mack was 59 years old (or maybe only 49); hence, the comparison to Cy Young, who was still pitching in the AL at 43 years of age.

Surely, if "The" Cy Young was managing in the game being talked about, the newspaper in the city the game was played in, would have mentioned the fact.

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Sorry for the numerous posts, but I just found him.

It is Julius Young. He is listed in the 1910 US Federal Census, in Ward 2, Huntington, WV. He was 32 years of age, born in Pennsylvania, and he listed his occupation as "Mgr Baseball" in the Virginia Valley Lg.


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Sorry for the numerous posts, but I just found him.

It is Julius Young. He is listed in the 1910 US Federal Census, in Ward 2, Huntington, WV. He was 32 years of age, born in Pennsylvania, and he listed his occupation as "Mgr Baseball" in the Virginia Valley Lg.


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Steve those are great posts and information you just put out. Will you please provide a link to the articles as I am very interested in seeing them.

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Great info! Thanks!
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Great research! Thanks for sharing, Steve!
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Seems that some sites may need to update their info. Had this been Cy Young, this card would surely be up there with Demaree, Stengel, Jackson, Gowdey, and other key players from this set. Now I know this is Julius Young. T210 is a great set and I enjoy learning more about these players!
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The Sporting News had three contract cards that MAY fit together –

1. J.C. “Cy” Young – b. 1886 Fredonia, Wis.; add: 49 W 6th Street – Cincinnati, OH; Huntington 1910-Manager 1910- Won Pennant Rel. 7/10- LaCrosse 1910-rel. 7/10-Rochester, Minn. 1911- Davenport 1911-

2. Jacob Young – P, b. 1886 Fredonia, Wisc; Fredonia 1906- Madison & Milwaukee 1907- Milwaukee-Houston & Lake Shore League 1908- Lake Shore League 1909-

3. Cy Young – b. 8-22-85 Fredonia, NY; 6-1.5 180; Houston, Texas Rochester, Minn. Manitowoc, Wis. Stevens Point, Wisc. Chicago AM. 6/12- Pitched 85 innings without allowing a score up to date. July 20, 1912- Sioux City for 1913????

It looks to me like this might be 1, 2, or even 3 different guys, with their records intermingled. Now that you've identified a source listing him as "Julius", I'll do some more work on him.
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It looks like the Julius C. Young listed in the 1910 census died July 6, 1967 in Cincinnati, and is buried in Spring Grove Cemetery there, along with his wife and daughter. Still a lot of holes to fill in, though.
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I could easily see Julius C. Young having the nickname “Cy”, especially if he was a pitcher. Irv Young of T206 was nicknamed “Young Cy” or “Cy the Second”.
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It looks like his full name was Julius Carl Young. He was evidently born in Hamburg, Germany on July 12, 1877, and came to the US with his parents in the 1880s. As Tom mentioned, he died July 6, 1967 in Cincinnati. I got his middle name from his WWII draft registration card.

Julius is also listed in the 1910, 1920, 1930 and 1940 Federal Census' in Cincinnati. The 1910 census sheet is a supplemental sheet, probably done later in the year, once the baseball season was over. The 1910 census sheet listing him in Huntington, WV, was dated April 15, 1910.

Also, regarding the request to post links to the stories I found, Newspapers.com is a subscription service. I've subscribed to it, as I do alot of genealogy research on my family. There are numerous articles (more than one per week) in the Point Pleasant (WV) Register from May - September 1910, regarding the local team and the league in general, with box scores.

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It looks like his full name was Julius Carl Young. He was evidently born in Hamburg, Germany on July 12, 1877, and came to the US with his parents in the 1880s. As Tom mentioned, he died July 6, 1967 in Cincinnati. I got his middle name from his WWII draft registration card.

Julius is also listed in the 1910, 1920, 1930 and 1940 Federal Census' in Cincinnati. The 1910 census sheet is a supplemental sheet, probably done later in the year, once the baseball season was over. The 1910 census sheet listing him in Huntington, WV, was dated April 15, 1910.

Also, regarding the request to post links to the stories I found, Newspapers.com is a subscription service. I've subscribed to it, as I do alot of genealogy research on my family. There are numerous articles (more than one per week) in the Point Pleasant (WV) Register from May - September 1910, regarding the local team and the league in general, with box scores.

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Thank you I will look into that service. I think the VVL information alone is worth it. As mentioned not alot of stats/records exist from the Leagues one year of existence. Its amazing T210 cards captured that small moment in time.

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Great thread and info. Thanks to all who shared!!
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