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If you can confirm any new cards please post pics of F/B. I will update the list as needed. Thank you all that have contributed over the years.







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We need help with Broadleaf color confirmations
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Andrew,

The images you posted are very hard to view. I might be able to help as I added a couple to my master list in the last year (two I think confirmed) but I cannot make out your list.

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PS Edited to say Andrew not Turner (so used to replying to Turner
PPS Images better now. Thanks

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If they can be sent to my email in a larger form I can help with making them larger on the screen.
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We need help with Broadleaf color confirmations and any help on the Hoffman type 1-4 confined backs. I have been unable to locate my notes on those areas.
Here is the thread I started on the Hoffmans including the breakdown of backs I found online using cardtarget:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=216882

I no longer own some of these and have thought about removing the pictures from my Flickr (so as not to confuse others into thinking I own them still), but didn't want to ruin the original thread. I would suggest, though, that if you want any of the photos you should save them as I may finally clean out my Flickr.
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The images you posted are very hard to view. I might be able to help as I added a couple to my master list in the last year (two I think confirmed) but I cannot make out your list.

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If they can be sent to my email in a larger form I can help with making them larger on the screen.

I sent an email with the list. See if you can get them better focused. Scans are clear till I upload them.
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I hesitate to say this, but I have this list as an Excel spreadsheet. Someone on Net54 sent it to me several years ago and can't even remember who, or I'd give them proper credit. Is there a place where it could be posted so that it could be downloaded by anyone who wanted it? If not, you can just send me your email address and I'll send it to you.
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I hesitate to say this, but I have this list as an Excel spreadsheet. Someone on Net54 sent it to me several years ago and can't even remember who, or I'd give them proper credit. Is there a place where it could be posted so that it could be downloaded by anyone who wanted it? If not, you can just send me your email address and I'll send it to you.
I would be more than happy to update it and post to board if you’d like.

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Other than the Cicotte above, I cannot add anything except you seem to be missing a page...everyone from Jacklitsch to Matty.

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Other than the Cicotte above, I cannot add anything except you seem to be missing a page...everyone from Jacklitsch to Matty.

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I got Cicotte marked. Can everyone not see the page? I can try to resend if needed.
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I came across a Pied 42 William Bergen working on my Pied 42 Subset.
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Thanks Paul. I also have Lobert BL Olive to confirm
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Do not have time to look at the whole list but if you want any Cubs confirmed, have all but 4 possible cards of the possible 151 front backs. Send me a list and I can check.
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Do not have time to look at the whole list but if you want any Cubs confirmed, have all but 4 possible cards of the possible 151 front backs. Send me a list and I can check.
Ken please see post 1 for list. Check it when you have time
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What caused there to be so many question marks in the Hindu column? I have never seen nor read of a Daubert Hindu.
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What caused there to be so many question marks in the Hindu column? I have never seen nor read of a Daubert Hindu.
Maybe this thread will help shine some light on your question.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=258495
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Are you referring to the following from that link? I'm just wondering why there is a question mark for Daubert Hindu (and some other players) but not all.

"Another possible tie is very strong based on the amount of Hindu to Drums confirmed. I think Hindus were stopped during printing due to court issues surrounding the ATC issue. I have often wondered if the way they were distributed was a very simple process of all the fronts being printed and then these went to this factory and those went to that factory. That’s where the backs are applied and why some say 400 and some say Assorted. I base that on the master list showing certain cards only available at certain factories. Also if you remove all the type set on the back the entire boarder, company and factory name is etched. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a copper plate inscribed with the boarder, company name, and factory #."
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I see that there may be a pattern with other players, who do have a Hindu printed. But then shouldn't question marks be inserted for Piedmont 42 where none exist but it is possible (like Daubert). I'm not suggesting to insert more question marks. Quite the contrary. The question marks are very questionable.
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Joe Birmingham has the same pattern as Daubert but no Hindu question mark.
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Joe Birmingham has the same pattern as Daubert but no Hindu question mark.
See linked thread. Birmingham is on the possible list.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...indu+confirmed
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I see that there may be a pattern with other players, who do have a Hindu printed. But then shouldn't question marks be inserted for Piedmont 42 where none exist but it is possible (like Daubert). I'm not suggesting to insert more question marks. Quite the contrary. The question marks are very questionable.
No Piedmont 42’s can not be found on any Hindu backed players. Also this list is only confirmed cards. Some possibles and verifies haven’t been marked. There may be some cards that got my missed on my list. As time goes I will catch back up. I owned 2 copies of the Pied 42 Bergen and didn’t have it in my written list. Ron Korn@ki gathered info for a master list site and then disappeared. I just referenced that list till finding out it’s gone now. The list above should help till we have a chance to get a master site back up. Something I have thought about especially now
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Thanks! The list definitely helps!
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I found one more not yet on this list - John D. Miller Polar Bear - First line bio "John B. Miller"
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I found one more not yet on this list - John D. Miller Polar Bear - First line bio "John B. Miller"
Thanks Gonzo. Great find


If anyone has a Hassan 649 run or can confirm some more for the list we would be happy to have them. I will give it a few weeks then rescan list with all updates. I will see if Leon could post them up again when it comes time.
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Hi Andrew

Here's my current list of the 23 subjects confirmed with HINDU backs (with respect to their Team affiliation)......

This list agrees with the HINDU column in your Master list in Post #1.


New York Giants
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Leon Ames
Josh Devore
W. R. Dickson


Cincinnatti Reds
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Robert Bescher
Richard Egan
Harry Gaspar


Chicago Cubs
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John Kling
John Pfeister


Detroit Tigers
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George Simmons
Oscar Stanage


Philadelphia Phillies
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Fred Jacklitsch
Sherwood Magee
William Bransfield


Washington Senators
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Walter Johnson
GeorgeMcBride


Boston Red Sox
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Eddie Cicotte
Clyde Engle
Jacob Stahl


Boston Rustlers
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Bayard Sharpe


Brooklyn Superbas
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Edgar Lennox


Chicago White Sox
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Hugh Duffy


Pittsburg Pirates
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Albert Leifield


St Louis Browns
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William Bailey



Thanks gonzo for the Bransfield input.


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Bransfield Hindu also exists.

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...re-hindu-back/
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Here's my John D. Miller Piedmont 42 - I THINK that it's a "B over D", but it might be a "B"...or just a D...
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I love handwritten compilation lists like this...I have a few of my own. This Broadleaf black of Wheat can now get its 'X'.

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Here's my John D. Miller Piedmont 42 - I THINK that it's a "D over B", but it might be a "B"...or just a D...
Omg I am in love. A unicorn if I say so myself. D over B variation with a Pied 42. Absolutely amazing. You can clearly see it with your copy
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I absolutely love it guys. Keep them backs coming. Thank you all so much for helping make a complete master list something possible
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Omg I am in love. A unicorn if I say so myself. B over D variation with a Pied 42. Absolutely amazing. You can clearly see it with your copy
Andrew, to me it looks like The D on Gregs factory 42 has a couple
of excess ink blobs on the D similar to this Piedmont factory 25 that
has a blob on the left of the D and a piece of the right side has an area
where the ink was blocked giving it the appearance of a B.

Miller T205 Piedmont D-B.jpgMiller T205 Piedmont D-B - Copy.jpg

and a PB with excess ink inside the D
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and here's a few more PB B variations
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I guess it should be called D over B variation since the D was the corrected letter.

I have never seen a fully connected B under the D. All have been broken in the middle and the curve of the D is noticeably straighter. If you look at your PB example you can see what looks to be the upper curve of the B extending past the D typeset. It was probably easier to make a small change to a letter than it was to remove and reset rows of type
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My B and D. Miller variations:

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Andrew - Check out this thread from a while ago:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=150383

Collins Yellow Elephant exists with a HLC reverse. According to my notes, this makes it available on Piedmont 25 and HLC to date.
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Thanks Turner. That is a prime D example. I am going to start a variation thread and see what backs are popping up more now.
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