Hey, pennant guys

[jsage]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Here is a grainy photo of a red version of that WS pennant

GREAT LOOKING RED VERSION - 1955 YANKEES/DODGERS WS.
Jerry Sage

[jester]

Have not been on here for a while. Really amazed at Mark's pennants. Kind of makes me drool!

[vintagesportscollector]

Picked up this Collegiate of Ames Pitt Pennant. My daughter goes to Pitt, which has created a new collecting focus for me. I had not previously come across this pennant before.

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[ooo-ribay]

I love the bottle of "Old Panth(er)"

[Ronnoco]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Picked up this Collegiate of Ames Pitt Pennant. My daughter goes to Pitt, which has created a new collecting focus for me. I had not previously come across this pennant before.

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LOTS of Panther Personality here. Wonderful pennant--congrats!

[ooo-ribay]

Some great stuff in the upcoming REA auction! :drool:

[Duluth Eskimo]

Someone got a nice one. I was bidding for resale, but I think this was a bargain.

[lefty147]

Someone got a great deal for sure.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Few more....

Every time I feel proud of my little collection, I see one like this and realize I have a long way to go. Amazing stuff. I'm strictly a football guy but I love your collection Mark.

Rob

[Showdawg]

1946 Browns Team Championship pennant

[Showdawg]

[Showdawg]

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Every time I feel proud of my little collection, I see one like this and realize I have a long way to go. Amazing stuff. I'm strictly a football guy but I love your collection Mark.

Rob

Thank you for the kind words, Rob...

It's taken a lot of patience, kind of a lot of money, and a bit of luck. I got into it just before the oversized market dried up, and prices of the really early ones exploded. So I consider myself very lucky. That said, I actually enjoy many of the more common '50s and '60s versions just as much as the oldies. Especially all of the cool "Stadium" variations.

Showdawg:
That 1946 Brownie Pennant with the names might be my favorite Football Pennant of all. I don't have a ton of Football, but will try to post my best one in a few days.

[Showdawg]

[QUOTE Showdawg:
That 1946 Brownie Pennant with the names might be my favorite Football Pennant of all. I don't have a ton of Football, but will try to post my best one in a few days.[/QUOTE]

Thanks...That pennant and this one are my favorites

[perezfan]

Yes- both are phenomenal. I love the Mean Brownie mascot. Things are so bad for the Browns right now... maybe they should put the Mean Brownie on their helmets (just for good luck!)

Tremendous collection... welcome aboard!

[Fballguy]

Alright Showdawg...Love to see some football pennants on here. Phenomenal Browns collection. I have several of those myself. I believe I only have one Browns pennant that you're not showing. Know anything about this one? It measures about 26 inches long. The tip is sharp but not visible in the pic. Nice shape other than missing the bottom two tassels.



Rob

[Showdawg]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Alright Showdawg...Love to see some football pennants on here. Phenomenal Browns collection. I have several of those myself. I believe I only have one Browns pennant that you're not showing. Know anything about this one? It measures about 26 inches long. The tip is sharp but not visible in the pic. Nice shape other than missing the bottom two tassels.



Rob

WOW!!!! Ive seen that pennant, but don't have it. Any chance you'd want to sell??? Have you seen this one?

[Duluth Eskimo]

A lot of people only collect baseball and have no idea how difficult those early Browns pennants are. Early football is very difficult in general. Fantastic stuff guys.

[phillies]

Hi all,

Quick question, anyone has contact info for Rick Haskins the pennant dealer? Saw his booth at the NSCC back in august, but didn't get his card and he has no online presence to reach out to. Thanks!

[perezfan]

Rick actually posts here sometimes. His Red Sox Pennant collection is perhaps second-to-none. Jaw-dropping, to put it mildly.

I bet he sees this before too long, and contacts you soon!

Edit.... His screen name is "Ricardoh", if you want to try reaching out to him.

[lefty147]

Originally Posted by phillies

Hi all,

Quick question, anyone has contact info for Rick Haskins the pennant dealer? Saw his booth at the NSCC back in august, but didn't get his card and he has no online presence to reach out to. Thanks!

If he doesn't make contact with you and you still need his email send me a PM. I should have it.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

A lot of people only collect baseball and have no idea how difficult those early Browns pennants are. Early football is very difficult in general. Fantastic stuff guys.

Compared to early hockey... Collecting early football is a walk in the park. 😎

[Teamgluck]

Very cool Browns pennants Showdowg!

I found this pennant of Joe Lewis v Jersey Joe Walcott on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1948-Jo...kAAOSw2xRYUUFY

I was wondering if anyone wants to show early and vintage boxing pennants

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Showdawg

WOW!!!! Ive seen that pennant, but don't have it. Any chance you'd want to sell??? Have you seen this one?

I'm not really into selling at this point particularly my harder to come by pennants...but I wouldn't be offended if you shot me an offer. My plan is to sell everything upon retirement (unfortunately still about 20 years away) and using the proceeds to travel the world as long as possible...right now I could probably cover a 7 night Western Caribbean cruise.

Just curious...do you have any other teams?

I have seen that style of pennant before but not the Browns version.

[Showdawg]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

I'm not really into selling at this point particularly my harder to come by pennants...but I wouldn't be offended if you shot me an offer. My plan is to sell everything upon retirement (unfortunately still about 20 years away) and using the proceeds to travel the world as long as possible...right now I could probably cover a 7 night Western Caribbean cruise.

Just curious...do you have any other teams?

I have seen that style of pennant before but not the Browns version.

No, I don't have any other pennants but Browns...I PMed you an offer

[Bumpus Jones]

Here's a cool find. I believe this artwork was originally created by a Sporting News Art Department staffer prior to 1953 as the Reds officially became known as the Redlegs (1953-58), but if you notice, the pennant design has been modified to read: Redlegs. Looks like TSN also licensed out their original art to entities such as sports pennant manufacturers. I welcome anyone else's opinions on the subject...

[thetahat]

Chris, that's really interesting, thank you for sharing. I have written here before about my personal affection for certain styles of 50s pennants. That Reds logo was used on Keezer pennants, many (but not all) of which were stamped on the back by the manufacturer. Keezer made pennants spanning, at least, from '53 from '65, as they made Phila A's and Houston Astros. (Have also seen Keezer STL Browns - very rare, I have a mini version - but not Boston Braves.)

The same Reds logo appears in the 1956 book "Inside Baseball for Little Leaguers" (top left) along with most others from a different pennant series that seemed to be made in the early 50s, see those form my collection (top right). I believe these date to the early 50s based on a Cubs variation that celebrates their 75th anniversary in 1951; also the fact that the Phila A's and Browns are in this "series" but not the Orioles. 12 of the 16 logos from the book appear on these pennants, with the exception of the Phillies (used Blue Jay instead), White Sox (diff sock variation), Orioles, and my very favorite; the Reds, which begs for more explanation. It's cut off a bit in my picture but see my avatar ... can someone explain the bomb to me? See bottom left for a very old Reds design (hardly a logo) from the turn of the century? which again depicts a bomb-yielding Cincinnati Red.

So yeah, this is the stuff I wonder about ... not quite "What is the meaning of life?" but it keeps me entertained ...

[thetahat]

A better view

[Bumpus Jones]

Thanks for the info Greg! The story behind some of these pennants is almost as good as the pennants themselves.

[perezfan]

I love that particular series of pennants, and know that they were issued in/around 1951. I have one with a written notation on the reverse, which states the date of the game and the teams who played (July, 1951). These pennants could've been sold for a few subsequent years, of course.

There is also a nifty series of Lapel Pins with these identical team logos. These pins are apparently (interestingly) dated 1954...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-Basebal...IAAOSwll1Wz3Mb

[Fballguy]

Wondering if anyone has any information on this Steelers pennant? It's not particularly rare but it's curious to me because it has "Championship - American Conference" on it. The graphic is an old style and Egner's book places it in the 1950's. The Steelers were in the NFL's old American Conference from 1950-52 but never played in even a playoff game during this time. Conference's didnt have championship games back then anyway. They were just called playoffs with the championship pitting the winner from the respective conferences.

Of course, the Steelers played in many American Conference Championship games in the 70's but this pennant obviously isn't from that time period.

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[thetahat]

I am certain that this is a 70s pennant, that the book is incorrect, despite the early-looking graphic. The Ad Flag company made this, they produced baseball and football pennants through the end of the decade, often using designs from an earlier time. Still very cool!

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I am certain that this is a 70s pennant, that the book is incorrect, despite the early-looking graphic. The Ad Flag company made this, they produced baseball and football pennants through the end of the decade, often using designs from an earlier time. Still very cool!

Thanks for the reply. I suspected that as well. It's been a while since I pulled this pennant out so I may be mistaken...but I thought it was made of the soft felt used pre 1960's. This..along with the graphic...were the reasons I thought it may be from the 50's. But you're right...being from the 70's makes a lot more sense considering the wording. I'll dig it out this weekend and have a closer look.

[Duluth Eskimo]

I agree its from the 70's. Some people I know found a large group of them and were selling them at shows. It was the first time I had seen this particular style, but they are original. They had some others too, probably old vendor stock. Great looking pennant and not easy to find, but not an early pennant.

[lefty147]

It is from 1972. Definitely an error in the book. Judging by the graphics it certainly looks 40's/50's but it is made of the stiffer felt. I couldn't pinpoint the year down until much later when I acquired the "set" from someone who said he got them at the game. It is the only time I have seen the Dolphins one and it seems to be quite rare. Mike

[ooo-ribay]

Nice porpoise on the dolphins pennant.

[Duluth Eskimo]

That is a rare Dolphins version. I have not seen that one either. Most likely bought on the street rather than at the game, but I get what you mean

[Fballguy]

Porpoise? I think that's a Mahi Mahi. Always wondered why they chose that graphic instead of the traditional "dolphin". But, I love that pennant. I have a couple of the original version sans AFC Championship reference. Never saw this version but would love to find one.

For Mike...I really enjoy your book. Was looking for a long time for a pennant price guide and was happy to find yours. I think the football portion could be enhanced and I don't necessarily agree with the the value/rarity designations in some cases...but I get how this would be an evolving encyclopedia, particularly for football as I'm guessing there are fewer collectors thus fewer pennants floating around. I've learned it's very hard to research pennants, especially the older ones...at least for the average collector. I also believe this book is the first of it's kind and should be built upon over time. If you ever decide to do a 3rd edition, please let me know. I have quite a few football pennants not in your book.

I mean this as a compliment...I keep your book on the back of my toilet and I reference it once a day...at least (Haha). Seriously...I'm always flipping through it. I also carry it around with me in my back pack whenever I'm away from home as I'm always looking for pennants and want your book handy.

Anyway...Thanks!

Rob

[lefty147]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Porpoise? I think that's a Mahi Mahi. Always wondered why they chose that graphic instead of the traditional "dolphin". But, I love that pennant. I have a couple of the original version sans AFC Championship reference. Never saw this version but would love to find one.

For Mike...I really enjoy your book. Was looking for a long time for a pennant price guide and was happy to find yours. I think the football portion could be enhanced and I don't necessarily agree with the the value/rarity designations in some cases...but I get how this would be an evolving encyclopedia, particularly for football as I'm guessing there are fewer collectors thus fewer pennants floating around. I've learned it's very hard to research pennants, especially the older ones...at least for the average collector. I also believe this book is the first of it's kind and should be built upon over time. If you ever decide to do a 3rd edition, please let me know. I have quite a few football pennants not in your book.

I mean this as a compliment...I keep your book on the back of my toilet and I reference it once a day...at least (Haha). Seriously...I'm always flipping through it. I also carry it around with me in my back pack whenever I'm away from home as I'm always looking for pennants and want your book handy.

Anyway...Thanks!

Rob

Thanks. I agree the football section could be quite a bit bigger and prices have dropped a lot from 4 or 5 years ago with the common ones. At this time I can't image doing another version though.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by lefty147

Thanks. I agree the football section could be quite a bit bigger and prices have dropped a lot from 4 or 5 years ago with the common ones. At this time I can't image doing another version though.

C'mon, Mike! Full color, coffee table variety.

[71buc]

I would have posted this much earlier but it took awhile for to find this in my piles of Pirate crap. Nonetheless, this is a 1971 World Series Champion Pirates pennant. I would assume it would have been issued in late in 1971 or 1972. Based on the use of the same font on the word Pittsburgh and the vintage Pirate image it was likely produced by the same company as your Steeler pennants during a similar time frame. I hope this helps.

[Teamgluck]

Anyone have a 1943 "Steagles" or 1944 "Card-Pitts" pennant?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by 71buc

I would have posted this much earlier but it took awhile for to find this in my piles of Pirate crap. Nonetheless, this is a 1971 World Series Champion Pirates pennant. I would assume it would have been issued in late in 1971 or 1972. Based on the use of the same font on the word Pittsburgh and the vintage Pirate image it was likely produced by the same company as your Steeler pennants during a similar time frame. I hope this helps.

It does thanks! Cool Pirates pennant too.

[Fballguy]

I'm questioning the origins of this pennant. Thinking this might be early 70's as well? I thought early 60's when I bought it. Either way, I haven't seen many of this one.

[Showdawg]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

I'm questioning the origins of this pennant. Thinking this might be early 70's as well? I thought early 60's when I bought it. Either way, I haven't seen many of this one.

I say early 60s....AFL took a lot of their early designs from the older NFL pennants. I would think this design would be gone by early 70s
.....still not as nice as that Browns pennant you have :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

[Showdawg]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Wondering if anyone has any information on this Steelers pennant? It's not particularly rare but it's curious to me because it has "Championship - American Conference" on it. The graphic is an old style and Egner's book places it in the 1950's. The Steelers were in the NFL's old American Conference from 1950-52 but never played in even a playoff game during this time. Conference's didnt have championship games back then anyway. They were just called playoffs with the championship pitting the winner from the respective conferences.

Of course, the Steelers played in many American Conference Championship games in the 70's but this pennant obviously isn't from that time period.

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Same thing happened with Browns pennant....My guess is they weren't prepared for playoffs/championship, so they grabbed some old stock pennants and printed them up with the championship lettering

This is an old Browns pennant from the 40s.....


When the Browns won championship in 1964, that pennant reappeared as a 1964 Championship pennant


I think the same thing happened with your pennant

[thetahat]

Remember the old ads in TV Guide that asked you to sketch and submit a cartoon drawing? The "winner" would get discounted art lessons or something. Well I think that's how the Ad Flag Pennant Company hired their artists. I have some Ad Flags in my collection and they are universally just ugly-a** pennants. Look at this Brooklyn Dodgers pennant. I have to have it, I am a collector and it is Brooklyn after all. But the guy looks less like a bum and more like a sex offender. And why the huge claw-like hand? This Phillies "quaker" pennant started giving me the creeps so I took it down, I might have to bury it in the backyard before it gives me bad dreams. And what is he stepping on ... is that a base or a box of Tastykakes?

On top of the bad art, they were often poorly cut (crooked, as with scissors) and the old-style designs have confused many collectors, as evident by this discussion ... I'm guessing these weren't sold in the ballparks but instead in the parking lots or back alleys.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

I'm questioning the origins of this pennant. Thinking this might be early 70's as well? I thought early 60's when I bought it. Either way, I haven't seen many of this one.

First of all, this is a rare Jets pennant and I'm sure a lot of people would need this for their collection. With that being said, oftentimes these styles were used for several teams hence the same design as the Steelers. Very generic and easy to change to whatever game or notations needed for that time. Oftentimes these designs were used for many years and "pulled out" when needed. Some sold better than others and some are very rare. Bottom line, nice pennant.

Ps: same thing goes for baseball and oftentimes sold outside the stadium for many years

[Fballguy]

Showdawg: Makes sense. BTW...I found another guy with the same Browns pennant I have. Unfortunately, he's not ready to sell either. I was going to put him in touch with you.

Thetahat: LOLOL. Hilarious write up. You're right. Super creepy sex offender and I don't know much about baseball but wasn't it "Dem Bums"?

Duluth: Thanks for the information. As always, I appreciate your input.

Dug through my pennants for the first time in a while and started taking pictures of the less common ones. They're not all in the best of condition, but they come around so infrequently, I don't care. I'll put a "few" up here on the boards....hope no one minds.

[Fballguy]

Sorry for the bad pics...The tips are all intact. I'm just a lousy photographer.

That's a crease in the Redskins pennant not a rip and a reflection on the Lions pennant not a stain. I love that Giants pennant but it's my most tragic pennant story. It was shipped to me unprotected, flat between two long cardboard pieces...which were completely mummified with packing tape. I almost dialed 911 as I needed the jaws of life to extract it. As I cut through the tape...not knowing the pennant was loose inside, I put a three inch incision in the bottom, under the "G" in Giants. Still PO'd about that. Haven't seen another of these since then.