The 'Modern Era' Ballot: Who You Got?

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

There are many players in the HOF who cheated.

it's one thing to lower standards for someone like Baines or Mazeroski...it's a whole different ball game...literally, when great players STILL cheat.

barry bonds is someone who had EVERY advantage and STILL chose to cheat! He deserves NOTHING.


'There are many players in the HOF who cheated.' Doesn't mean the standards have to be lowered to let in ALL that do.


The bottom line is that it is a disservice and an insult to all those who played the game without cheating to let all those who didn't get in.


Baseball is just one area of life where standards have been lowered...I find it sickening.
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Heres the argument for bonds and the rest

https://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/0...-of-fame.html/

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[familytoad]

The Hall has two new members after this committee vote.

Interesting that veteran catcher Simmons was more well regarded than our board seemed to think. 21 seasons of being pretty good can get you in the Hall now.
I liked Ted as a player , and don’t mind that he got voted in, but I don’t recall anything dominant about his game. That skill is usually observed in Hall of Famers.

The 1971 Topps set adds another card moved to the HOF column...

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by familytoad

The Hall has two new members after this committee vote.

Interesting that veteran catcher Simmons was more well regarded than our board seemed to think. 21 seasons of being pretty good can get you in the Hall now.
I liked Ted as a player , and don’t mind that he got voted in, but I don’t recall anything dominant about his game. That skill is usually observed in Hall of Famers.

The 1971 Topps set adds another card moved to the HOF column...

He was the only catcher in baseball history with a 50 + WAR not in Cooperstown. I've felt he deserved to be in a long time. The guy was a fantastic hitter from a position that just didn't get a lot of offense, especially in the 70s and 80s.

I'm thrilled both Marvin Miller and Simba are in.

[Hot Springs Bathers]

Ted was the best hitting catcher of his era, Bench hit very well in big moments but day-to-day Simba was the man! He now held in high reverence by baseball insiders as the best talent judge in the game. A true gentleman too.

[clydepepper]

Comparing Simmons to Bench...interesting...certainly never thought of that.

[packs]

Ted Simmons seems like the epitome of having to take someone's word for how good they were. He never finished higher than 6th in MVP voting in any single year over his entire career. Seems like "best hitting catcher of his time" would have a better showing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Ted Simmons seems like the epitome of having to take someone's word for how good they were. He never finished higher than 6th in MVP voting in any single year over his entire career. Seems like "best hitting catcher of his time" would have a better showing.

Even by WAR, Bench is 1 among catchers, Simmons is 10. Let's not get carried away.