Someone stole this Clemente Rookie at auction

[WWG]

This shows how much the market was manipulated last year. A PSA 8 for $131,450 are you kidding!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by WWG

This shows how much the market was manipulated last year. A PSA 8 for $131,450 are you kidding!

It has been discussed whether money actually changed hands or perhaps its just the buyer winning their own card.... Until i see someone crying that they paid 131k for that card i really cant believe that lone sale.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Lol.

[mattjc1983]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Lol.

Wowza. Some folks got stuck holding the bag I'm sure, and can't really say I feel that sorry for them.


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[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

It has been discussed whether money actually changed hands or perhaps its just the buyer winning their own card.... Until i see someone crying that they paid 131k for that card i really cant believe that lone sale.

+1 Just because it's on VCP doesn't mean it closed. They are just grabbing data from the internet with no reconciliation of payment.

[WWG]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

+1 Just because it's on VCP doesn't mean it closed. They are just grabbing data from the internet with no reconciliation of payment.

This didn't come from VCP, it came right off Heritage webpage. Are you saying HA posted selling price without receiving payment?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by WWG

This didn't come from VCP, it came right off Heritage webpage. Are you saying HA posted selling price without receiving payment?

That would not surprise me at all. How many closed auctions ever get taken down?

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by WWG

This didn't come from VCP, it came right off Heritage webpage. Are you saying HA posted selling price without receiving payment?

VCP is a data mining company, in simple terms. Taking data from various sources and putting it in their software. IMO, VCP provides a valuable service by consolidating the sales records of cards, and saves me a whole lot of time.

however, the data they gather is only has good as it's source. VCP does not know if the auction was paid for or not, just that it closed. And once it's closed, it makes it's way over to VCP. As the saying goes, garbage in-garbage out.

As far as I know, AH's are not required, and do not disclose voluntarily, whether an auction has been paid for or not. This includes e-bay. It's up to you as a buyer to sort through the outliers and determine if real or not.

[irv]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

It has been discussed whether money actually changed hands or perhaps its just the buyer winning their own card.... Until i see someone crying that they paid 131k for that card i really can't believe that lone sale.

Didn't we already have this conversation about a $80,000 dollar Koufax, Jake?

IIRC, you stated, whether money exchanged hands or not, the $80,000 is what the card sold for, so what are you trying to say above, exactly?

[Johnny630]

The market was heavily manipulated the past two years we all know it.