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Old 01-24-2008, 06:17 PM
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Posted By: Scott Levy

Gentlemen .. and Ladies,

I have spent the last several years diligently collecting and monitoring the T205 Christy Mathewson card and there is a very significant variation on this card that only occurs (to the best of my knowledge) on the cycle brand.

His stats listed on the back typically say:

GW GL PC F
1908 37 11 .771 .988
1909 25 6 .806 .966
1910 27 9 .750 .969

HOWEVER ON THE CYCLE BACK THE FIRST LINE READS
GW GL PC F
1908 37 1 .771 .988

The print run omits the second '1'. I have literally looked at hundreds if not thousands of T205 Mathewson cards and while I have never seen a broadleaf back, a hindu, or a drum, I can assure everyone that no other brands have this error at least in all the cards I have seen.

I am guessing that all cycle backs have this error....but since I've only seen about 14 of them over the years I cannot say with certainty.

I'd love to know if anyone else has a T205 cycle mathewson and if it indeed has the same error. Also if you're looking to sell it, I'd be very interested in hearing from you!! Heck I'll even start the bidding at double the SMR -- at least until I run out of cash

Wow, that was a mouthful. I'd be happy to get other's thoughts/impressions but in my opinion this is a key discovery to the T205 series on a top ranked HOFer!

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Old 01-24-2008, 06:24 PM
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

GET OUT OF HERE.

Really?

That's got to be the coolest thing in the world. Nearly 100 years this set's been out - I collect it, too - and nobody knew about this?

Congrats on figuring this out. I need to go look at the backs of my cards more closely.

-Al

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Old 01-24-2008, 06:31 PM
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Posted By: barrysloate

Scott- that is pretty amazing. Would you be able to post a scan?

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Posted By: Eric B

Careful, don't spend all your cash too fast. If all the Cycle brand Mathewson's say "1", then it's not a variation. Keep in mind they all say "Cycle" as well...that's the main "variation".

Now if the SMR is brutally low, then I get it Though I have to admit that's interesting that one brand would have a difference. I guess the data was hand-entered for each.

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Old 01-24-2008, 06:35 PM
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Posted By: dan mckee

Very cool and bummer! I need another one now! This reminds me of the recently discovered Wilhelm variation between the very common and overly paid for Piedmont and the very rare Hassan.

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Posted By: Trae R.

This is very cool news, I am interested to see what becomes of it!

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Posted By: fkw

Like Eric said, you need to see if there is a Cycle with an "11" too for it to be a variation. Otherwise its just an uncorrected error within Cycle.

If the variation was on front that would be a different story.

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Posted By: J Levine

Umm...wow...I own a Cycle Matty (in the safety box). There are some printing points that occur in the t205 set with the backs (like the Hoblitzell font changes) and I have to consider that until I see a Cycle back that is different that it is just an error. Shawn might know better than I but I am pretty sure the Cycle print run was the only advertiser on that back. I have handled at least a thousand t205s and probably seen scans of 1000s more and do not remember noticing this before.

Why I love this hobby...new old stuff always seems to pop up.

Joshua

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

Excellent observation Scott!  Really cool.

I gotta see a scan now.

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Scott asked me to post this;

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