4 Sharp Corners

[dplath]

The only problem that I've had with 4SC was on an 83T Boggs PSA 10: When the card arrived it looked different to me so I checked the original listing and they sent me a different card than the one that I had purchased. They said that someone else hit buy just before I did and when that happens they substitute the same grade. I was pissed because rather than telling me and offering the same grade they shipped and didn't say anything. They did offer a refund.

[irv]

Originally Posted by dplath

The only problem that I've had with 4SC was on an 83T Boggs PSA 10: When the card arrived it looked different to me so I checked the original listing and they sent me a different card than the one that I had purchased. They said that someone else hit buy just before I did and when that happens they substitute the same grade. I was pissed because rather than telling me and offering the same grade they shipped and didn't say anything. They did offer a refund.

I have never purchased from them but I did look into them after I read this post.

I guess, with over 64,000 sold items, there is bound to be a few negatives, but in all honesty, based on what I read here, I thought they would have an immaculate reputation.
http://www.ebay.ca/usr/4_sharp_corne...p2047675.l2559

[scottbdoug]

I have purchased from them as well, reasonable pricing usually and reasonable shipping costs. I had only one problem with them but it stopped me from buying from them since it occurred.

This is what happened:

I was on eBay the other day looking for the remaining cards from my Hall of Fame collection for the years 2014-2016. I am collecting one card of each Hall of Fame player starting from 2016 going backwards, one raw card for my wall and a second one that is graded for my storage.

I found six graded cards all from one dealer at a reasonable cost. I have purchased cards from this seller before so I figured if I was reasonable I could get a deal. I mean I wasn't buying one card I was buying six. Being a patron of the seller and buying in bulk, I figured it was a foregone conclusion that I would get the discount. Here was my correspondence:

I would like to buy these cards:

-1988 DONRUSS #644 TOM GLAVINE RC BRAVES HOF PSA 10 $19.99

-1988 TOPPS #779 TOM GLAVINE RC BRAVES HOF PSA 10 $24.99

-1988 TOPPS TIFFANY #779 TOM GLAVINE RC BRAVES HOF PSA 9 $29.99

-1969 TOPPS #237 BOBBY COX RC YANKEES HOF PSA 7 $44.99

-1989 O-PEE-CHEE #186 RANDY JOHNSON RC EXPOS HOF PSA 9 $24.99

-1988 SCORE #638 TOM GLAVINE RC BRAVES HOF PSA 10 $27.99

Since I'm a patron of your store, and I'm buying multiple items, I'm wondering if you can sell these cards to me for 150.00 +16.00 shipping (6.00+2.00+2.00+2.00+2.00+2.00, as your ad says).

If yes, can you set it up so i can purchase it as such.
The total price for the cards was $172.94 and I was asking $150.00. How reasonable do you think that is? Factor in that except for the Bobby Cox card, they all were from the junk wax era and all are easily found, don't you think $150.00 is reasonable. I'm not sure why, but the seller responded thus:

Thanks for the offer but we will pass.

I was never more surprised in my life except when my wife told me she was pregnant. I'm a bit of a hard head when it come to negotiations on used items, so when someone rejects my offers out of hand I tend to avoid them in the future. This seller has lost my business.

That was back in early 2016 and I haven't bought anything from them since. Like I said I'm a bit hard-headed when it comes to used items.

[OldSchoolBaseball]

I've made 72 orders since 2014 - all over $75 to save on shipping and virtually every card was cheaper than ebay prices.

Great, easy to work with - I highly recommend.

I don't think they have huge margins worked into their prices so getting ticked because they don't discount a PSA 10 card that's $19 is kind of a joke to me.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by scottbdoug

I have purchased from them as well, reasonable pricing usually and reasonable shipping costs. I had only one problem with them but it stopped me from buying from them since it occurred.

This is what happened:



That was back in early 2016 and I haven't bought anything from them since. Like I said I'm a bit hard-headed when it comes to used items.

Welcome to the forum.

As a collector, I generally do not email sellers about a better price....I either pass if the price is not to my liking or look for a seller who offers the same item with the best offer option and make an offer through that seller. I can't remember ever sending a seller a message to solicit a better price, however, I routinely send offers via the best offer option.

As a seller, I use the best offer option to indicate to buyers I am willing to entertain reasonable offers on an item. However, as I have costs to cover, if the item I am offering does not have the best offer option, I also pass on any offers like you made.

[MCoxon]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Welcome to the forum.

As a collector, I generally do not email sellers about a better price....I either pass if the price is not to my liking or look for a seller who offers the same item with the best offer option and make an offer through that seller. I can't remember ever sending a seller a message to solicit a better price, however, I routinely send offers via the best offer option.

As a seller, I use the best offer option to indicate to buyers I am willing to entertain reasonable offers on an item. However, as I have costs to cover, if the item I am offering does not have the best offer option, I also pass on any offers like you made.

I agree - it's within their rights to hold the line on their pricing. I also had asked one time for a discount on something they offered, they passed, but were prompt and courteous in responding. I still shop 4SC, just know now that the price I see is what I will pay - and often it's a fair price and I pay it.

Again, I'm a huge fan of 4SC.

[scottbdoug]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Welcome to the forum.

As a collector, I generally do not email sellers about a better price....I either pass if the price is not to my liking or look for a seller who offers the same item with the best offer option and make an offer through that seller. I can't remember ever sending a seller a message to solicit a better price, however, I routinely send offers via the best offer option.

As a seller, I use the best offer option to indicate to buyers I am willing to entertain reasonable offers on an item. However, as I have costs to cover, if the item I am offering does not have the best offer option, I also pass on any offers like you made.

All of the sellers i have dealt with have given me what I wanted. Probably because I was reasonable with my offers. If I buy one card from a dealer I understand the price and shipping will be what it is. If I buy two cards from the same dealer (that each card had its own listing) then I would expect them to combine shipping. If I buy multiple items, say 5 or 6 or 10 etc., I would expect a reasonable discount. Combine all the cards into one listing and I buy it straight away with the discounted price, or I put them all in my shopping cart and then ask for a total, and they can give the discount there.

Never really had any refusals from any seller at all ever in the over hundred purchases I made over the years, until the one mentioned. Are they bad sellers on eBay, no. If someone asked whether they should buy from them, I would say go ahead. But for me, on anything I buy i expect to pay what I think is reasonable, I'm not outrageous, so if I don't get what I want, I spend my money elsewhere. The seller loses my business but he has as much right to refuse me as i do to offer what I offer. I just won't buy from them anymore.

[Exhibitman]

Here's a trick: shop their stuff on eBay with their site open in a different tab and buy off their site. Their site items are cheaper than as marked on eBay.

Also, with junk wax stuff you can usually wait for them to cut prices to move things as their inventory ages. It isn't like they'll run out...

[scottbdoug]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Here's a trick: shop their stuff on eBay with their site open in a different tab and buy off their site. Their site items are cheaper than as marked on eBay.

Also, with junk wax stuff you can usually wait for them to cut prices to move things as their inventory ages. It isn't like they'll run out...

The second paragraph is the optimum one. Most of it was from the junk wax era where there are lots of copies floating around. You would figure a small discount on a bulk purchase wouldn't be refused. But anyway...life goes on.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by scottbdoug

Never really had any refusals from any seller at all ever in the over hundred purchases I made over the years, until the one mentioned. Are they bad sellers on eBay, no. If someone asked whether they should buy from them, I would say go ahead. But for me, on anything I buy i expect to pay what I think is reasonable, I'm not outrageous, so if I don't get what I want, I spend my money elsewhere. The seller loses my business but he has as much right to refuse me as i do to offer what I offer. I just won't buy from them anymore.

Right but the seller makes more money in the long run without buyers like you as they dont have to discount like other sellers so the get max ROI to make up for less volume of buyers

[scottbdoug]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Right but the seller makes more money in the long run without buyers like you as they dont have to discount like other sellers so the get max ROI to make up for less volume of buyers

You are probably correct. But they risk losing future purchases from the buyer as well. Not all my purchases from them are of the bulk variety if my memory serves me correctly. Plus even with the discount, as small as it was, they should be making money off me anyway, so why refuse? But like I said...life goes on.

I wonder if I went to their website got the same cards, if they are still available, and asked for the same discount %, they would accept. That would be funny if they did. I would have to chuckle anyway.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by scottbdoug

if I don't get what I want, I spend my money elsewhere. The seller loses my business but he has as much right to refuse me as i do to offer what I offer. I just won't buy from them anymore.

So, if at some point, only sellers who offer the same price to all of their customers (the sellers who do not arbitrarily discount to you or anyone else because their business model is sound) have the cards you are looking to add to your collection, are you: A) going to stop collecting because you won't buy from sellers who won't negotiate OR B) going to get over the fact that they did not give you what you want and buy from them?

[Stampsfan]

Buyers who are upset about sellers not taking their offers, and sellers who complain about low ball offers, I find it bizarre. Everyone has every right to say no. It's not personal, it's business.

I make the occasional offer through BIN on something I want. If the seller says "No", it's OK. If they say "Yes", then great!! I don't ever take it personally. Move on to something else... there are more things I want than I have the cash for.

[scottbdoug]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

So, if at some point, only sellers who offer the same price to all of their customers (the sellers who do not arbitrarily discount to you or anyone else because their business model is sound) have the cards you are looking to add to your collection, are you: A) going to stop collecting because you won't buy from sellers who won't negotiate OR B) going to get over the fact that they did not give you what you want and buy from them?

Since the cards I collect, mostly, are a dime a dozen, reason being they are from the junk wax era, example A) doesnt really apply.

Because I collect over-produced cards, that are worth very little, and can be found everywhere, i won't ever need to get over the fact...

It is not much of an over-stretch to understand and/or agree with a person only paying what he wants to pay for a used item. Just as sellers can refuse to sell to you, you can refuse to buy from them.

I get what I want, at the price I want, or i don't buy. I just did that recently on the house i bought. And will continue to do so on anything used I buy. You should as well, everyone should. It's your money, you earned it, spend it as you want, not at what sellers want to charge you.

[smellthegum]

Originally Posted by scottbdoug

I have purchased from them as well, reasonable pricing usually and reasonable shipping costs. I had only one problem with them but it stopped me from buying from them since it occurred.

This is what happened:



That was back in early 2016 and I haven't bought anything from them since. Like I said I'm a bit hard-headed when it comes to used items.

It's always cheaper to buy through their web site versus ebay. You can buy all of the cards on your list in those grades from their site right now for $158.58 which includes free shipping. That is actually less than your offer with shipping. (If you live in Mass. they will also charge state sales tax.)