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Posted By: leon
I believe there is an issue with the new poll. There is no way that it is correct. I need an email from everyone that has voted for a PSA 8 or better or this poll comes down tonight. You can remain anonymous but you have to email me. That is the only way I know to be fair on this subject. If there are 35% then I will say that too..I strongly feel it's being manipulated.....regards |
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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
Leon, |
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Posted By: Trae R.
This also makes me wonder if any previous polls were manipulated, namely the last poll with regard to which grader you prefer. |
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Posted By: Cobby33
Good points. Perhaps it should read, "which grades are most prevalent in your collection?" |
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Posted By: Dave
I'm sure there is some doofus here that sits at work in a room with 30 computers and votes away. |
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Posted By: Max Weder
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I really don't have any problem with the New Poll if the PSA 8 or better collectors have soaked their votes. I don't even mind gentle erasing. I do take exception to stretching, trimming, coloring, and the like. I can't tell for sure how many of the PSA 8+ votes are altered. It may well be porportionally related to the number of PSA 8+ cards that are altered. |
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Posted By: Steve
I can't tell for sure how many of the PSA 8+ votes are altered. It may well be porportionally related to the number of PSA 8+ cards that are altered. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Looks like the new poll was soaked so much that it fell apart, and has disintegrated. |
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Posted By: Jeff Prizner
Time for a new, new poll? |
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Posted By: leon
Yes, the other poll was so obviously soaked/tainted I had it taken down. I guess I will have to make a decision on when to do the poll at the top and when to do one as a thread. I can monitor the thread ones much better even with folks logging in anonymously to do it. There will be a new, very non-controversial thread put up early today. I am debating any others.....and will probably give it a rest for a while. best regards |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
Leon, i collect PSA 8 T206's... |
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Posted By: Wesley
There are a lot of people who collect PSA 8 cards. Why does anyone think that poll was tainted? |
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Posted By: leon
35% of the board doesn't collect PSA8 and above. That's what the poll was showing. |
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Posted By: Wesley
I marked the any grades to fill spots in my collection selection, but apparently more board users do collect PSA 8s than we thought. |
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Posted By: leon
Me too...and I think that's what the armpit of the hobby collects .... In a few days or weeks I might start that poll in a thread to see what the real deal is..without it being able to be manipulated. For now the ugliest set is fine... |
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Posted By: Wesley
Maybe I will sell my entire collection to buy one or two PSA 8 cards. That seems to be the direction the forum is heading anyway. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Wesley- I made the observation yesterday that late in the afternoon we were getting a vote for PSA 8 collecting on average every ninety seconds, yet as I go through all the regular posters on the board I can count maybe four PSA 8 guys who I can identify. Those numbers were just too extreme to satisfy anyone as being accurate. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Weslry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- could you rephrase that- I am missing something. Sorry. |
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Posted By: Dave
I've made quite a few transactions lately trading my PSA 1's for 2's....maybe I should slow down. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Posted By: Richard Masson
So enough about cards and grades. Let's move on to politics, religion and other non-controversial topics... |
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Posted By: Rich Klein
Where in New York should card collectors congregate for dinner. I'd love to hear everyone's views |
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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
Leon, |
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Posted By: Brian
Seems to be alot of passion to get data to disprove Jim's thesis. Perhaps we have a silent majority? If she floats, she's a witch. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
How about this question--do you think card alteration is most widespread in |
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Posted By: leon
Yes, there is a way to do a poll operationally different although I am not sure it's exactly as you are saying. On the next poll that there might be controversy with I am going to do it in a thread. Anyone can register and login and vote. I have no idea who anyone is except I see an IP address. They remain anonymous. If they don't want to login then they don't get to vote. Again, it's still anonymous so no one that is legitimate should care. It will be much, much harder to manipulate. If I think it's still being manipulated, as in someone going to each office computer, I can track IP addresses and if all are the same area and carrier I will know what's going on. In the end I agree with the few that have said it's quite a bit to do about nothing. Most on this board are armpit collectors, like myself, except for the backbones. I do "think" the backbones might represent 3%-5% or so, which is more than I thought before. I would prefer to discuss esoteric sets, T206's and Zeenuts etc...so have put this off for now... regards |
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Posted By: Brian
Why does it matter? |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Brian, |
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Posted By: Brian
I am building my Obak sets in VG to ExMt, but I voted for 8s in the poll. If I could, I would... Didn't mean to ruffle feathers, didn't have time to call Leon last night either. |
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Posted By: John S
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Posted By: JimCrandell
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Posted By: leon
The wording of the original poll was flawed. It was my fault. I don't care to revisit it right now and would prefer to talk about other stuff....I think this is the majority opinion of the board too. |
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Posted By: Brian
"I think this is the majority opinion of the board too" |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- much clearer. Yes, the board is not a friendly place to post for a PSA-8 collector, but I think it was the "backbone" comment that started a conflagration. I guess it touched a chord in people who don't have the means to buy high grade cards. And it is silly to think that the poll question was "who would want to own PSA-8 if they could?" We could start a poll which asks: if someone were giving out free T206 Wagners, would anyone want one? That would be greatly different than a poll which asked: would you pay the current market price and buy a T206 Wagner if one became available? Of course everybody would like all their cards in perfect condition, but in the real world very few can afford it. I don't believe that 35% of the people on this board could afford to collect in PSA 8. But I bet close to 100% of the board would like to own them if money were no object. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
In dollar volume I agree with you 100%. I used the example of the high grade E93 set that sold recently in a Mastro auction for over 300K. How many good and very good E93's would have to be transacted to add up to that amount? It might take 50-100 collectors to reach that total, while only a single collector bought that set. I guess we have to define mean, median, average, etc. when we have these discussions...and apology accepted. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry--glad you agree 100%. |
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Posted By: leon
I still politely disagree about the dollar volume but the new way you presented it is much less offensive and appreciated. Us armpit collectors stick together just like the backbones .....take care |
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Posted By: barrysloate
What skews these numbers so drastically is the enormous gap between say PSA 3 and PSA 8. If the gap were smaller, there would be more high grade collectors. But with a PSA 8 selling for perhaps 100x a PSA 3, it's going to decrease the pool of PSA 8 collectors. The reason that this tiny group spends so much money is: A)they have it, and B)that's what it will cost them to gain membership into the club. Again, if one guy spends $1 million and a thousand collectors spend $1000 each, each group is spending the same but the thousand collectors make up the backbone. That's how I see it. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Assuming your numbers are correct, and I am not disputing them, how many of those collectors read this board, and how many of them would have participated in yesterday's poll? It doesn't appear to me that all those big spenders are hanging around Net54. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I seem to have forgotten: what is the point of this argument again? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I don't remember either. I was going to ask you that... oh yeah, invest in U.S. Savings Bonds! |
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Posted By: quan
is this a vintage card forum, or a vintage card grading forum? i could do with less psa8 threads or psa/sgc threads, that's not what this board is about or why i'm here. the drama at first was mildly entertaining, now it's just the same ole rhetorics being drivel back and forth. for what it's worth i did partake in the old poll (about the 3rd time i've actually voted) and chose any grade was fine as long as it filled a void...brian's new poll about ugliest set is much better and represent what this board was meant to be when it was started by elliot. |
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Posted By: chris bland
Amen Quan - I agree 100% |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Griping is a birthright on this chatboard. |
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Posted By: leon
You are my hero...can I call you uncle? |
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