Topps Uncut Sheets

[deweyinthehall]

With all the interest on these boards in uncut sheets, has anyone ever compiled a gallery displaying all those known so far? Organized by year and series, along with perhaps the work going on to figure out the hi series to a few 60s sets?

[Cliff Bowman]

A new member was graciously making me professionally done virtual sheets of the 1963 Topps series sheets that Kevvyg1026 and I put together but unfortunately he disappeared before he did the 3rd Series and the 5th Series. He did make the 2nd, 6th, and the 7th Series but I can't figure out how to display larger scans. On the 2nd Series sheet I now know that the three missing cards on the green row are in order Frank Howard, Richie Ashburn, Frank Torre, but I still don't know the order of the two missing yellow cards, Jim Kaat and Dick Brown.

[deweyinthehall]

Thanks - larger scans would be great if it were possible. I'm really surprised there's no single reference site (that i know of) that captures what we know and what we conjecture about Topps sheets, 1952-1972.

I even have a couple questions about 1974 and 1976 - at 132 cards you'd have an even 5 sheets. But the Traded cards were mixed in , so I assume there were 6 sheets each of those years?

Also, in the 1972 set, series 1 has 132 cards, and each subsequent series has 131 - this is because each subsequent series contains the checklist for its own series which is numbered as part of the previous series, and the checklst for the next series. For series 6, with no "next" series, I assume all 4 checklists across both slits were the 6th series.

So for 1972, it seems that the series 1 checklist was printed at half the rate of the other 5 - sound about right? And therefore, the other 5 were printed at twice the rate of the other cards in the set?

[G1911]

The series 1 checklist was a lower percentage most years, for the same reasons. But, they’re still usually the easiest or close to it because series 1 almost every year was printed in far more quantity than the other series.

[Kevvyg1026]

For many of the releases from the mid-60s to late 60s, series 1 printings contained 110 cards, so 10 different rows of 11 cards each. Typically, the series 1 sheet had 4 of these rows printed 3x each, and the other 6 rows were printed 2x each.

However, checklist 1 was printed in two different rows while checklist 2 was printed in only one of those rows. So, while it is true that checklist 2 was printed again in the next series, checklist 1 had two copies in the 1st series printing.

Now the 2nd series printing often had 88 unique cards, which meant that each of the 8 rows were printed 3x each across the sheet. So checklist 2 usually had 5 copies printed from series 1 and series 2 combined (2 from series 1, 3 from series 2) whereas checklist 1 could have anywhere from 4 to 6 copies, depending on which rows that card was in.

[BillP]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

A new member was graciously making me professionally done virtual sheets of the 1963 Topps series sheets that Kevvyg1026 and I put together but unfortunately he disappeared before he did the 3rd Series and the 5th Series. He did make the 2nd, 6th, and the 7th Series but I can't figure out how to display larger scans. On the 2nd Series sheet I now know that the three missing cards on the green row are in order Frank Howard, Richie Ashburn, Frank Torre, but I still don't know the order of the two missing yellow cards, Jim Kaat and Dick Brown.

These are great. I, like others wonder what couple be done to enlarge and then print these for display. After the hard work and time put in for at least 63,66 and 67 and maybe 68, It would be worth it. Also, to set the record straight on what is an SP and what isn't with publications.
The 63 Dalkowski, lower left corner, must follow the 1966 591 run of the card in that position must have hard issues and therefore a bit scarcer. The price of the Dalkowski certainly reflects that. Thx billp

[deweyinthehall]

One last thought on the 72s is that if we laid out a single copy of each of the 6 sheets side by side, we'd have 2 series 1 checklists (same amount as other cards), 4 of series 2-5 (double printed - 2 each on the previous series sheet and 2 on the actual series sheet) and 6 of series 6 (3X printed- two from series 5 and 4 from series 6).

I know many others are already familiar about these things, but I'm just starting to get into the sheets, and it's very interesting. Thanks for you indulgence!

[Kevvyg1026]

I will check my 72 info, and post tomorrow. Traveling today.

[Kevvyg1026]

For 1972, I see the following:

Series 1 1 to 132
Series 2 133 to 263, plus check 2 again
Series 3 264 to 394, plus check 3 again
Series 4 395 to 525, plus check 4 again
Series 5 526 to 656, plus check 5 again
Series 6 657 to 787, plus check 6 again.

So, check 1 would have been printed 2x on the series 1 sheet, while series 2 through 6 would been 4 ea. (double printed - 2 each on the previous series sheet and 2 on the actual series sheet).

http://https://drive.google.com/file...ew?usp=sharing

[Kevvyg1026]

This is by no means complete, but this is what I know about the 60s sheets.

a. 1961 - I have seen one slit of series 5 and most of a slit for series 7 (enough to reconstruct the slit). I haven't seen any work done on the 6th slits.

b. 1962 - I have seen a 4 row panel and a 3 row panel for series 7, so the row placement of all 77 cards is known, but I haven't seen the slits put together. I am not aware of any 6th series work.

c. 1963 - the work done by Cliff Bowman, with a tiny bit of my help, has established the printing patterns for all series, including the 5th, 6th, and 7th.

d. 1964 - I have seen a sufficient amount of uncut material to know that series 1 through 5 can be established but I haven't seen much for series 6 or 7.

e. 1965 - Series 1 through 5 are known and one slit of series 7 is known. I have some strong suspicions about the 2nd slit for series 7 but need a few additional miscuts to confirm. I haven't seen much work for series 6.

f. 1966 - The print pattern for series 1 through 4 are known. Series 5 is mostly known (14 cards remain to be placed). There are numerous miscuts for series 6, but I haven't seen a slit for series 6. Series 7 is now known due to the work of many contributors from this forum.

g. 1967 - There is a sufficient amount of material know to establish the print pattern for series 1 through 5. There is very little material for series 6. One slit is known for series 7 and a five row panel for the other slit is known. I suspect that the 7th series has a pattern of 1 row x5 (Pinson), 1 row x4 (Rohr), and the other 5 rows x3, but this has not been firmly established.

h. 1968 - There is enough material known to establish the sheet patterns for series 1 through 5 and 7. One slit is known for series 6 and there is also some uncut material for series 6 but the 2nd slit is not completely established so the SPs aren't yet known.

i. 1969 - I am aware of one slit for series 1, both slits for series 2, one slit for series 4, one slit plus 4 rows of the other for series 5, both slits for series 6, and I only have a few miscuts from series 7.

Hopefully, other members can add to this or correct and mistakes I have made.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Thanks - larger scans would be great if it were possible. I'm really surprised there's no single reference site (that i know of) that captures what we know and what we conjecture about Topps sheets, 1952-1972.

I even have a couple questions about 1974 and 1976 - at 132 cards you'd have an even 5 sheets. But the Traded cards were mixed in , so I assume there were 6 sheets each of those years?

Also, in the 1972 set, series 1 has 132 cards, and each subsequent series has 131 - this is because each subsequent series contains the checklist for its own series which is numbered as part of the previous series, and the checklst for the next series. For series 6, with no "next" series, I assume all 4 checklists across both slits were the 6th series.

So for 1972, it seems that the series 1 checklist was printed at half the rate of the other 5 - sound about right? And therefore, the other 5 were printed at twice the rate of the other cards in the set?

complicating things is the actual sheets being double sheets that were then cut down to 132.

I can't recall how the traded cards were done in 74 or 76, The local shop had a bunch of sheets a couple times between late 77 and 83 and they must have been there, so I would have seen them.

[Kevvyg1026]

couple of panels are shown.

1976_panel_1.jpg

1976_panel_2.jpg

[jmoran19]

Will find sheets tomorrow but for 1976 topps took one 132 card half sheet and split into two 132 card half’s with traded cards printed 3 times in 22 card blocks on each sheet

[Cliff Bowman]

There are several on the internet from auction houses. ETA, apparently 1974 Traded was only printed on its own sheet.

[jmoran19]

really crappy pic of the 1976 half (right) slit that was split into two for the traded card printing

The 74 traded cards I believe were printed on own sheet as well in blocks of 44 (44x3=132)

john1976yanbench_nostars.jpg

[tulsaboy]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

With all the interest on these boards in uncut sheets, has anyone ever compiled a gallery displaying all those known so far? Organized by year and series, along with perhaps the work going on to figure out the hi series to a few 60s sets?

I think that's a really neat idea. There are an abundance of threads on Net54 along with auction house images and ebay images that you should be able to slowly put together a pretty good library of them. I always thought it would be a really neat way to collect, but the space required to store and/or display is pretty prohibitive. It would be a neat reference, though.
kevin

[deweyinthehall]

Originally Posted by tulsaboy

I think that's a really neat idea. There are an abundance of threads on Net54 along with auction house images and ebay images that you should be able to slowly put together a pretty good library of them. I always thought it would be a really neat way to collect, but the space required to store and/or display is pretty prohibitive. It would be a neat reference, though.
kevin

Not to mention the cost! I'm working on a complete set of 1978 Topps Baseball sheets - so far I only have half, 3 of 6 - and they do take up way more space than most people would think.

[Cliff Bowman]

Here is an updated 1963 Topps 2nd Series sheet that Kevvyg1026 and I reconstructed, I still don't know the placements of Jim Kaat and Dick Brown so I asked my source to make one of each so that one of them will be right whenever I find out the order . ETA: I don’t remember posting this, I know now that the one with Dick Brown first and then Jim Kaat second is the correct layout.

[deweyinthehall]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Here is an updated 1963 Topps 2nd Series sheet that Kevvyg1026 and I reconstructed, I still don't know the placements of Jim Kaat and Dick Brown so I asked my source to make one of each so that one of them will be right whenever I find out the order .

Thanks!

[bb66]

Awesome Cliff !

[Kevvyg1026]

I have seen a large number of panels & partial sheets for the 1957 baseball set from series 1 to 4. Is there anything available for the high number series?

On a slightly related note, does anyone know whether those Bazooka and Blony checklists were printed on the same sheets as the series 5 cards?

And I would imagine that the Lucky penny and game contest cards were printed on their own and then used as an insert???

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

I have seen a large number of panels & partial sheets for the 1957 baseball set from series 1 to 4. Is there anything available for the high number series?

On a slightly related note, does anyone know whether those Bazooka and Blony checklists were printed on the same sheets as the series 5 cards?

And I would imagine that the Lucky penny and game contest cards were printed on their own and then used as an insert???

I'm fairly certain the 1956 and 1957 checklists were "pushed" into the packs as inserts, same as were the contest cards from that period. I have never seen a sheet of any of those but do have a scan of this 1956 Football miscut with a checklist and contest card side by side. I've never seen anything like the 1956-57 checklists or contest cards on a regular press sheet from that time (1956 to 60-ish for the contest cards).

[G1911]

We know the 1956 football series had contests and checklists on their own sheets, without any of the numbered base cards. The insert cards are on a completely different stock than the base.