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Old 01-04-2018, 11:54 PM
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Anyone know if the top row cards on the sheet ever have a white strip or are they immune?
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Old 01-05-2018, 08:42 AM
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Anyone know if the top row cards on the sheet ever have a white strip or are they immune?
The top row of baseball will never have a white border. Definitely the toughest to locate unless in hand.
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Old 01-05-2018, 03:06 PM
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The top row of baseball will never have a white border. Definitely the toughest to locate unless in hand.
Want to make sure I understand this correctly: by top row I assume you are referring to the row that starts with Jim Merritt and Tom Seaver (Sheet in post #27)? If my assumption is correct, isn't it possible that these could have a white top border depending on the card being OC top to bottom?
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Want to make sure I understand this correctly: by top row I assume you are referring to the row that starts with Jim Merritt and Tom Seaver (Sheet in post #27)? If my assumption is correct, isn't it possible that these could have a white top border depending on the card being OC top to bottom?
Yes I’m referring to the Merritt row. I’ve had approximately 1500 of these cards over the years and have yet to see it. The white border would definitely not be from one of the FB. From the top of the sheet...maybe. I’d have to defer to Carlton on that one. If that were the case, it would definitely be a miscut. A mere top to bottom OC wouldn’t reveal a border.

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Yes I’m referring to the Merritt row. I’ve had approximately 1500 of these cards over the years and have yet to see it. The white border would definitely not be from one of the FB. From the top of the sheet...maybe. I’d have to defer to Carlton on that one. If that were the case, it would definitely be a miscut. A mere top to bottom OC wouldn’t reveal a border.
Hi Jared, wouldn't you think there would have to be some chance that there could be some with a top white border based on where the card exists on the MB sheet, unless the burlap goes far beyond what I'll call the normal cut line for the cards? Here is a regular sheet from 1968, there is at least some white outside the burlap on all sides. Since we don't have an uncut MB sheet we may never know for sure. It's really hard to see on this sheet how much if any white is above the burlap on the top row cards.

I'd love to have a definitive answer as I try to use possible white border's on MB's vs. regular issue to verify MB's when searching on line as its very difficult to tell by color alone due to the inconsistency of scanner settings. If I'm off on Merritt, I'm off on at least 10 others.
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Hi Jared, wouldn't you think there would have to be some chance that there could be some with a top white border based on where the card exists on the MB sheet, unless the burlap goes far beyond what I'll call the normal cut line for the cards? Here is a regular sheet from 1968, there is at least some white outside the burlap on all sides. Since we don't have an uncut MB sheet we may never know for sure. It's really hard to see on this sheet how much if any white is above the burlap on the top row cards.

I'd love to have a definitive answer as I try to use possible white border's on MB's vs. regular issue to verify MB's when searching on line as its very difficult to tell by color alone due to the inconsistency of scanner settings. If I'm off on Merritt, I'm off on at least 10 others.
I can only speak from experience, and I’ve yet to see a top white border for the Merritt row. If it does exist it would have to be pretty far up. If you see one definitely pick it up. The best way to find the cards without borders is to compare back scans from the same seller. Good chance they have other non MB 68 listings and use the same scanner settings. If possible, just compare cards from the first two series so the back color stays consistent.
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I can only speak from experience, and I’ve yet to see a top white border for the Merritt row. If it does exist it would have to be pretty far up. If you see one definitely pick it up. The best way to find the cards without borders is to compare back scans from the same seller. Good chance they have other non MB 68 listings and use the same scanner settings. If possible, just compare cards from the first two series so the back color stays consistent.
Hi Jared,

I just looked at most of my MBs from the top row of the sheet and I found one card that is miscut enough to show a lot of the top edge of the card. It does have the white line from the top of gutter edge of the sheet. Please see below. I added three non-MB cards to show that this #108 Pavletich card is indeed an MB. I found that most of the cards in the top row, if miscut, are usually showing more of the bottom edge of the card. I have gone through over 200 MB cards from the top row and I only found this one card miscut in this way. This is probably the result of the settings on the sheet cutting machine for this issue. By chance I just have this card produced during a cut when the settings were tweaked.

Also, it seems that the MB sheet has the white gutter edge on all four sides. It will be tough to determine for sure if the bottom edge had an intentional gutter because the cards in that row are white bordered. Maybe the white border and the white gutter are different shades of white? I haven't looked at that.

Jared, your tip of reviewing a seller’s other 1968 auctions to see if different cards' back colors vary to help determine MB vs. regular issue is great. I think that the research makes collecting MBs fun.

Ryan, regarding Braves included in the set; Phil Niekro is on a leaders card in the second row. Maybe you aren't looking for leaders cards.

I have a lot of these MBs cards (mostly baseball), three full games and multiple sets, so if you have any questions, feel free to send me a PM. Hopefully I can find the answer for you.
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