1982 Topps Blackless

[Tripredacus]

Originally Posted by 4reals

It does have that appearance but no, not faded. It appears they were low on ink during this sheet print for other colors as well as certain small areas on some cards are missing ink.

After going through all of my 1982 Topps cards, the only one I have that is even close to blackless is one of those "low ink" type printings.

[bswhiten]

PWCC new auction.

I find it hard to believe that PWCC and other auction companies can’t see BLACK ink.

In a new slab too. Come on PSA do better.

[ALR-bishop]

Like the 62 green tints or 68 Milton Bradleys I think unless graders follow particular odd variations closely themselves they would have a hard time telling one from the other without examples of both in hand via the cards themselves or contrasting scans.

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

PWCC new auction.

I find it hard to believe that PWCC and other auction companies can’t see BLACK ink.

In a new slab too. Come on PSA do better.

Is incredible from PSA, they know about variation and PWCC know what is a Blackless, not the first time they up for sale mislabeled psa.

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

PWCC new auction.

I find it hard to believe that PWCC and other auction companies can’t see BLACK ink.

In a new slab too. Come on PSA do better.

The auction was suspended after i wrote PWCC:
Hi jaguar-9742,

Thank you for reaching out about this issue. Our team has taken a look at this and have adjusted our title and listing. Thank you for your interest and participation in our auction!

Gavin Johnston
PWCC Marketplace

[bswhiten]

Mail day. Stoked.

Rickey auto to go with my slabbed example.

[ALR-bishop]

Greenlessing ? 😎

[hockeyhockey]

woah, that's amazing. nice one ben. i don't know much about the auto business, do you have to request the green marker?

[bswhiten]

Originally Posted by hockeyhockey

woah, that's amazing. nice one ben. i don't know much about the auto business, do you have to request the green marker?

Thanks guys. Yes, I sent the pen I wanted used with the card for a private signing.

This is how I sent the card...

[bswhiten]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-TOPPS-BLACKLESS-551-REGGIE-JACKSON-PSA-9-16737181/254865812873?hash=item3b572fad89:grIAAOSwzu9gJvb L

Another mislabel.
PSA graders should have a sticky note... Black on the front = Not Blackless

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Mail day. Stoked.

Rickey auto to go with my slabbed example.

Nice Henderson Green signature,Nice addition Ben!!

[saucywombat]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Mail day. Stoked.

Rickey auto to go with my slabbed example.

Very cool

[4reals]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Mail day. Stoked.

Rickey auto to go with my slabbed example.

Coolest thing I’ve seen in a long long time. You may have inadvertently started a new trend that if continues will make blackless cards with no signature increasingly more scarce. I mean, there’s one less Henderson out there now and he was already tough! You have me considering doing this with my second Dodgers team set (I am a few cards shy of having a graded and raw team set).


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[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by 4reals

Coolest thing I’ve seen in a long long time. You may have inadvertently started a new trend that if continues will make blackless cards with no signature increasingly more scarce. I mean, there’s one less Henderson out there now and he was already tough! You have me considering doing this with my second Dodgers team set (I am a few cards shy of having a graded and raw team set).




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+1. The Dodger's team is one of the most difficult due Dodger's team fans. From B i Need Steve Yeager in Complete Blackless. The Blackless Cards are very Hard to find, i had the good luck to find nice ones.

[4reals]

I will keep my eyes open on Yeager for you. I failed to also mention that I think it was outstanding that you chose to use green ink to differentiate it from the original black facsimile. If I do end up attempting to obtain dodger signatures I will likely go with a blue fine tip sharpie with this in mind.


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[hockeyhockey]

Originally Posted by 4reals

I will keep my eyes open on Yeager for you. I failed to also mention that I think it was outstanding that you chose to use green ink to differentiate it from the original black facsimile. If I do end up attempting to obtain dodger signatures I will likely go with a blue fine tip sharpie with this in mind.


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that's seriously one of the coolest cards i've seen in all my time collecting (with the green auto). i'm considering buying a regular 1982 rickey and doing it, even though the cost would totally outweigh the value (then i realize the signature is already on the regular...maybe not...haha)

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by 4reals

I will keep my eyes open on Yeager for you. I failed to also mention that I think it was outstanding that you chose to use green ink to differentiate it from the original black facsimile. If I do end up attempting to obtain dodger signatures I will likely go with a blue fine tip sharpie with this in mind.


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Thanks!!

[bswhiten]

Originally Posted by 4reals

I will keep my eyes open on Yeager for you. I failed to also mention that I think it was outstanding that you chose to use green ink to differentiate it from the original black facsimile. If I do end up attempting to obtain dodger signatures I will likely go with a blue fine tip sharpie with this in mind.

Do it!
Best blue pen on cards IMO.
Rickey used the green size F on my Blackless.

[4reals]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Do it!
Best blue pen on cards IMO.
Rickey used the green size F on my Blackless.

Sweet! Good to know, thanks!


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[bswhiten]

Well someone got snowed...

[bswhiten]

Not mine, but the owner shared with me in a Henderson group PM.
Has to be one of the best Blackless “finds”. Wow.
Keep your eyes open on eBay I guess!

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

If I had won that for $15.50 I would have to attend church for a month out of guilt.

[ALR-bishop]

Cliff --I think for forgiveness you would have to give it back .

It has been awhile but I seem to recall that in putting my set together the Ryan, Henderson and Morris were the ones that set me back the most

[bswhiten]

Al, I agree Henderson, Morris, and Ryan are higher value Blackless. The Henderson and Morris probably due to scarcity and Ryan for player collectors.

IMO the Henderson is nuts because it is a scarce C sheet and a player collector favorite.

Paid $20.50 and he said he was offered 3k the next week. He did not accept. I know I would not accept that for mine either


Cliff, I can't imagine being that seller and finding out what he sold.

[Blackless Collector]

That's incredible, a Henderson's Blackless for that price, was the deal of entire life. I had the Good Luck to found Ryan and Morris in Blackless version. Other hard is Hector Cruz without Print Flaw.

[hockeyhockey]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

If I had won that for $15.50 I would have to attend church for a month out of guilt.

that's some crazy stuff. such a sick card.

ben - do you know how much the person who won the auction put in for his max bid? curious how high they would've been willing to go.

[bswhiten]

Originally Posted by hockeyhockey

ben - do you know how much the person who won the auction put in for his max bid? curious how high they would've been willing to go.

He wouldn't tell me, but he did say it was a lot for than $25

[bswhiten]

Apparently Beckett doesn’t recognize Blackless… still can’t believe this was closed at eBay auction for under $20!

[Bcwcardz]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Apparently Beckett doesn’t recognize Blackless… still can’t believe this was closed at eBay auction for under $20!

So people have all the luck.


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[Blackless Collector]

a pair of wrong labeled "Blackless" by PSA Again....

[bswhiten]

wow...That should be embarrassing for PSA. Why would they slab it Blackless when there is clearly Black ink??? Maybe some of the new graders.

[Blackless Collector]

Very embarrassing for PSA, think in the step of research they can note the difference between regular and Blackless. Is incredible lot of regular cards with Blackless designation.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Any enlightenment on what this is would be appreciated! Standard blueless, or something else? Will provide better photos later this week. Thanks!

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Any enlightenment on what this is would be appreciated! Standard blueless, or something else? Will provide better photos later this week. Thanks!

None of the above.

Magenta progressive proof.

I would venture a guess it is most likely blank backed?

[ALR-bishop]

See post 2 in thread for something similar… Blueless 😊

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Better photos.

[ALR-bishop]

Billy---when you say only 1 or 2 copies you are referring to the blueless rather than blackless, right ? I picked the few blueless examples I have when putting together my blackless set. Don't know how many exist but likely not many.

With the blackless there were enough out there you could try to build a set and when they got listed in SCD and recognized by PSA the competition for them in the hobby drove up prices. I think the blueless lack the hobby recognition to have great value other than among oddity or specific player collectors. Others may think differently.

[JustinD]

I am in agreement with Al here, as per usual.

I am of the opinion that the blueless are of course the usual backdoored print flaw sheets of the time. To be honest I would guess there are very few, likely less than 5 sheets. Even your estimate of 1 or 2 is believable.

Your example has one big issue and that is the poor sheet cut that someone did with a pair of scissors (most noticeable on the back). This can be a big impact on value as many error collectors really focus on pack pulled errors, not printer's scrap, which is really what these are. If sheet cut, it needs to be done well.

While a neat oddity, these don't really hold much value due to the limited number of weirdos like Al and myself that collect them. Had they been packaged and distributed like the blackless and PSA gradable, the value would change.

Only a very small number of uncut backdoored sets find their way into master set and number grades, the full front and back 1985 Topps minis being the most recognized.

The only opportunity for grading these might be Beckett and they would label it a proof most likely with no number grade. Not sure if they still grade proofs, but I have a bunch of older ones I have accumulated. I think grading cost might exceed value in this case.

I think on this, the value would be really what the eBay bidders decide on any given day. As Al said, commons don't do well. Had it been a star or semi-star they can do better due to player collectors.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Better photos.

That is completely fabulous! I own zero blueless from '82.

[holybull]

Anybody happen to have a Johnny Bench Blackless they would consider selling?? Thanks, Michael.

[bswhiten]

A lesson in why I shouldn’t use my phone to purchase stuff on eBay.

“Blacklessing” instead of true Blackless. I thought I was upgrading… Oh well. At least I still have the lower graded true Blackless

[ALR-bishop]

On the bright side, the set can be finished in Blacklessing… or gray ghosts… as well as Blackless

[Zach Wheat]

...makes me want to start collecting '82 Blackless. I have a few, but picked them up by accident

[bswhiten]

Al - I think i will leave collecting the blacklessing gray ghost set to you

Zach - Just do it! There are a few that will be tough to pry out of other folks' collections.

[mybestbretts]

psa george brett master registry set up for auction by Heritage. Blackless
in it

[ALR-bishop]

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Nice Bretts!!

The only Brett i need is in Action Blackless.

[ALR-bishop]

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[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

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Beautiful Brett in action card AL, Hope find one in a future!!

[bswhiten]

Originally Posted by mybestbretts

psa george brett master registry set up for auction by Heritage. Blackless
in it

Do you have the IA and All Star too? Just saw the #200 on Heritage.