ruth auto

[JoeyF1981]

Good deal for $3100?? Comes with jsa cert

That's beautiful

[jgmp123]

Wow...

[JoeyF1981]

Is $3100 a fair price?

[bender07]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

Is $3100 a fair price?

Assuming authenticity (not a Ruth guy at all), I would say it is. What medium is it on? Hard to tell. Album page?

[t206trader]

Agreed, $3,000 is typical for mediocre Ruth signatures. This one is pretty bold. If you're in the market and assuming authenticity is accurate, I'd say this is a decent buy.

[JoeyF1981]

Its adhered to a scrapbook page. dimensions are 3 1/2 x 5 1/2 and jsa cert checks out

[GrayGhost]

very good price for a super looking Ruth. get it.

[jgmp123]

If you don't make the purchase, please open it up for others here, as I assume it wouldn't last long on the market.

[JoeyF1981]

Pulled the trigger! Wooooo

[gregr2]

Congrats!! Nice find!

[HexsHeroes]

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. . . patience
. . . due diligence
. . . knowledge
. . . ability to execute
. . . luck

Congrats on finding the combination that resulted in a successful purchase.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by HexsHeroes

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. . . patience
. . . due diligence
. . . knowledge
. . . ability to execute
. . . luck

Congrats on finding the combination that resulted in a successful purchase.

Well put! Thanks for the kind words!

[JoeyF1981]

do you think its worth having it encapsulated or would you just leave it the way it is?

I'd frame it. A beautiful signature like that deserves an equally beautiful display. I don't collect signatures, but if I did that's what I would do.

[RichardSimon]

Try to get an original photo and FRAME IT, don't put it in a piece of plastic.

[JoeyF1981]

Does anybody see anything wrong with the auto? It comes with a jsa cert and some guy is saying he thinks its fake because of the watermark on the paper it was signed on

[drcy]

Watermarks have been around for centuries. I know nothing about the specific watermark, if that's the issue, but paper during Ruth's day could have a watermark. Most typing and stationary paper during his day likely had a watermark.

[JoeyF1981]

from what I can make out the embossing or imprint on the paper says "rondack" (which looks like theirs more to the name) "bond co." "made in usa". If anyone has any info about this it would be greatly appreciated. If I could find more info about the paper id feel better so i know if its of the period.

[timzcardz]

"rondack" is possibly "Adirondack"

There was a Strathmore Paper Company that had a brand "Adirondack"
http://books.google.com/books?id=DhA...0paper&f=false

[Runscott]

Joey, that's a beauty. I really like the ones with 'Sincerely', as it's a lot easier for me to verify (in my mind) that word than 'Babe Ruth'.

[drcy]

I don't know how long it was used, but the Adirondack watermark is listed in a 1910 directory. And it is not a currently used paper brand.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by drcy

I don't know how long it was used, but the Adirondack watermark is listed in a 1910 directory. And it is not a currently used paper brand.

Can you send me the link to where you saw that?

[drcy]

http://archive.org/stream/watermarks...0post_djvu.txt

[JoeyF1981]

thank you, just want to get as much info as I can on it. Some guy is trying to say its fake because of the paper its written on

[drcy]

He's got to back up his contention with facts, rather than an off the cuff impression. Especially in the light that the Aderondack brand clearly is an old brand of paper. I'm just guessing that he thought the paper looked modern due to the watermark, but, as I said earlier, watermarks have been in paper for centuries.

Maybe he's a paper historian, I don't know. But, then, he'd have the facts and dates to back up his contention.

For the record, I'm no expert on Ruth autographs and have no opinion on the authenticity beyond that I know Scott and Richard know Ruth autographs.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by drcy

He's got to back up his contention with facts, rather than an off the cuff impression. Especially in the light that the Aderondack brand clearly is an old brand of paper.

Thats what im saying,. He never even brought up the auto itself just the paper and had no facts to back it up. It just makes me nervous especially with the money I just spent on it. And then he wanted to bring up the fact that jsa has authenticated known forgeries

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

Thats what im saying,. He never even brought up the auto itself just the paper and had no facts to back it up. It just makes me nervous especially with the money I just spent on it. And then he wanted to bring up the fact that jsa has authenticated known forgeries

Hindsight is 20/20 vision, but it would have been best to not mention the JSA LOA up front.

It may color perceptions one way or another. Certainly there are some individuals who will relish the opportunity to dump on something only because it has a JSA cert.

I do not know Ruth enough to offer an opinion. But in my view, the JSA LOA should be weighed with a high degree of credibility. Then gather the opinions of other collectors/dealers you trust to "put it to bed" in your mind.

In other words, don't let the contrary voice of one person ruin it for you. There will always be "that one person" with just about any autograph.

In full disclosure, I am the space consultant for JSA.

[t206trader]

The autograph appears authentic to me. With the JSA plus the opinions of most board members here as to its authenticity, I wouldn't fret too much. There's no way of ever knowing with 100% certainty that any autograph is legitimate unless it was personally witnessed by you. Having said that, I'm rather confident you have a beautiful Ruth on your hands.

Brandon

[JoeyF1981]

Found this on the psa website. Looks very similar to mine

[packs]

I don't know who this person is making suggestions based on watermarks, but you might want to tell them that paper manufacturers and book makers have been using watermarks since the 13th century. The watermark process was standardized for mass production by the mid 19th century and was refined for the express purpose of paper manufacturers marking their paper.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Hindsight is 20/20 vision, but it would have been best to not mention the JSA LOA up front.

Certainly there are some individuals who will relish the opportunity to dump on something only because it has a JSA cert.

Such situations are opportunities for JSA to improve their credibility. Once that's done, such opportunities will be meaningless.

[JoeyF1981]

I want to thank all of you very much for helping me calm my paranoia regarding the ruth auto...lol...you guys have all been such a big help and I can finally say I feel confident that I have the real deal and not some forgery. Its definitely time for a beer or maybe two...lol...thanks again.

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

Did a psa quick opinion on it ane it came back "likely genuine". I appreciate everyone taking the time to calm my paranoia. Its a beautiful auto and im happy to add it to my collection. Now its time for a beer....or two

Uh oh, you likely just opened up a Pandora's box of ill will amongst some by making it look like you are comfortable since PSA/DNA gave it a likely thumbs up via their quick opinion, while not appearing comfortable when other board members were chiming in.

You are likely to be called names, told to never ask for an opinion again, be banished to Siberia, be poked in the eye with a sharp object, have a piece of meat strapped to your back while being put into a cage of 134 starving hounds on the Korean peninsula or any other like event.

In all seriousness, I'm happy you are happy with your purchase. If it's authentic, it's a beautiful autograph and definitely one to be proud of!

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

Uh oh, you likely just opened up a Pandora's box of ill will amongst some by making it look like you are comfortable since PSA/DNA gave it a likely thumbs up via their quick opinion, while not appearing comfortable when other board members were chiming in.

You are likely to be called names, told to never ask for an opinion again, be banished to Siberia, be poked in the eye with a sharp object, have a piece of meat strapped to your back while being put into a cage of 134 starving hounds on the Korean peninsula or any other like event.

In all seriousness, I'm happy you are happy with your purchase. If it's authentic, it's a beautiful autograph and definitely one to be proud of!

lol..damn I wouldve been fine if it was only 133 starving hounds but 134 I wouldnt make it. Lol...thanks though bro. Its a awesome auto and I feel alot better about it. The psa quick opinion had very little to do with why I feel its authentic. It was all of you and a couple that I talked to personally that really played a huge part. You guys are pretty damn awesome

[HexsHeroes]

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. . . the sense of comfort may have little to do with the PSA/DNA quick opinion but most likely from the various opinions of Net54 members, inclusive of several with extensive experience (that excludes me). I know that I personally value the varied opinions of members, and less so the ABC third party opinions. There is an educational element to this forum that is priceless. The varying character of the contributing "teachers" makes it entertaining to boot.

[JoeyF1981]

Just received the ruth auto and its better than I expected. Some interesting things I found on it that werent mentioned earlier. There is a date in the lower right corner written in pencil that says 4/2/47 and on the back there is a old newspaper article clipping that has to do with babe and the ford motor company. Found that very interesting, Very happy with it!

[drcy]

Uh oh. My next door neighbor has a 2013 Ford. You'd better check to make sure that clipping isn't a modern fake.

I fear the authentic Ruth autograph was just a rouse to sell you a forged newspaper clipping.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by drcy

Uh oh. My next door neighbor has a 2013 Ford. You'd better check to make sure that clipping isn't a modern fake.

I fear the authentic Ruth autograph was just a rouse to sell you a forged newspaper clipping.

lol...damnit i knew it. oh well at least when im on the toilet i can turn it around and read it

[mschwade]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

Just received the ruth auto and its better than I expected. Some interesting things I found on it that werent mentioned earlier. There is a date in the lower right corner written in pencil that says 4/2/47 and on the back there is a old newspaper article clipping that has to do with babe and the ford motor company. Found that very interesting, Very happy with it!

Congratulations on your purchase! I still remember when I purchased mine, I was like a little kid on cloud nine for the next couple of weeks.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by mschwade

Congratulations on your purchase! I still remember when I purchased mine, I was like a little kid on cloud nine for the next couple of weeks.

thank you! Ya im very proud to own this piece. Im trying to find more information on the article thats attached to the back. My next goal is to add a gehrig auto to my collection and have them framed together.

[JoeyF1981]

Had it authenticated by PSA and of course it passed. I know it was probably overkill to have 2 loa's but it's nice to have. Now time to frame it

[JoeyF1981]

delete

[mschwade]

Did you get your Gehrig???

[dapro]

Selling already?

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by dapro

Selling already?

No, I was considering it because there was a nice ruth signed letter I was thinking about getting but I like my auto better so Im keeping it. having it framed tomorrow. cant wait!

[JoeyF1981]

Value wise what would you estimate it at?

[David Atkatz]

You just bought it! I'd say it's worth what you paid for it--the seller wasn't an idiot.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

You just bought it! I'd say it's worth what you paid for it--the seller wasn't an idiot.

He sure wasnt. Got it at a good price

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by mschwade

Did you get your Gehrig???

not yet but eventually I will. I collect photos too so thats been my main focus so far.