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FYI....1910 COUPON checklist
Dated Oct 6, 2020
The 68 cards in the 1910 COUPON set are derived from an early press run (Spring 1910) of the 350 series of the T206 set. American Lithographic printed these cards on thinner cardboard stock than the regular T206 cards, because these cards were not intended to serve as cigarette pack STIFFINERS. This brand was introduced to the market packaged in cartons labelled "COUPON" that contained approx. 100 cigarettes. A standard 10-cigarette pack labelled "COUPON" has never been found. In my opinion, it does not exist. All 68 subjects are identical in every respect to their T206 "cousins". These cards were issued in the Spring/Summer of 1910. Note the similarity in the stylistic design of the backs of these T206 advertisements and this COUPON advertisement...... . . . . Major Leaguers (48 subjects) Becker......Boston NL Bender (trees)......A's Byrne......St Louis NL Campbell......Cincinnati Chance (portrait-yellow)......Chicago NL Charles......St Louis NL Chase (blue portrait)......New York AL Chase (dark cap)......New York AL Cobb (red portrait)......Detroit Cree......New York AL Donovan (throwing)......Detroit Doolan (fielding)......Phillies Dubuc......Cincinnati Dunn......Brooklyn Engle......New York AL Evers (bat-yellow sky)......Chicago NL Fletcher.....New York NL Hartsel......A's Hoffman......St Louis AL Howell (portrait)......St Louis AL Huggins (portrait).....Cincinnati Huggins (hands at mouth)......Cincinnati Hunter......Brooklyn Killian (portrait)......Detroit Knabe......Phillies LaPorte......New York AL Lennox......Brooklyn Marquard (portrait)......New York NL Mathewson (dark cap)......New York NL Marshall......Brooklyn McBride......Washington McElveen......Brooklyn McIntyre.......Detroit Mitchell.......Cincinnati Mowery......Cincinnati Myers (bat)......New York NL Myers (fielding)......New York NL Paskert.......Cincinnati Rhoades (hands at chest)......Cleveland Rossman......Detroit Schmidt (portrait)......Detroit Starr......Boston NL Street (portrait)......Washington Summers......Detroit Sweeney.......Boston NL Thomas......A's Willett......Detroit Wilson......Pittsburg Southern Leaguers (Southern Association)......20 subjects Bay......Nashville Bernhard......Nashville Breitenstein......New Orleans Carey......Memphis Cranston......Memphis Ellam......Nashville Fritz......New Orleans Greminger.....Montgomery Hart.....Montgomery Hart......Little Rock Hickman......Mobile Jordan......Atlanta Lentz......Little Rock Molesworth......Birmingham Perdue......Nashville Persons.....Montgomery Reagan......New Orleans Rockenfeld......New Orleans Smith......Atlanta Thornton......Mobile The Six Super Prints are seldom seen with the 1910 COUPON advertisement. . . . TED Z ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by tedzan; 08-17-2023 at 05:45 PM. Reason: Update scans. |
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Ted,
At the risk of asking a series of stupid questions, but in the interest of having this thread survive a little longer.... a.) Is this the confirmed list or the 'theorized' list? b.) Has anyone [that we know of] completed this set? c.) How closely does this checklist reflect the T215-1 checklist? |
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FYI....1910 COUPON checklist (T213
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(a)..... This list of 68 cards is COMPLETE, and have been confirmed. (b)..... My understanding is that there is one complete 1910 COUPON set. Perhaps, someone else here can vouch for more complete sets. (c)..... The RED CROSS (T215-1) set consists of 96 cards. It is comprised of T206 subjects from the 350 series, 350-460 series, and 460-only series. And the Matty (white cap) from the 150/350 series. These cards were most likely issued in two series of 48 cards each. The 1st series in 1910 and the 2nd series in 1912. Thanks for some very good questions. TED Z Last edited by tedzan; 10-06-2020 at 10:15 AM. Reason: Corrected typo. |
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very succinct
Good information Ted. Over time some of our gems remain very scarce, while others seem to come out of the woodwork more often. The T213-1 (or T206 Coupon ) series are still among the least seen cards. I always take a 2nd look when I see one, they are so scarce. Actually, I was surprised when this Cobby (shown a few times before) didn't garner more attention on ebay. I would imagine their scarcity is due to their paper thin stock and their limited distribution. Nice information and thanks for posting. regards
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You can imagine how I felt when I found one at an antique mall in downtown Reno. $30 later, it was mine!
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Leon,
Those are awesome! JimB |
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Thanks for posting this list. I noticed that there are no Boston American cards in the T213 Coupon set. Is the same true for the T215 Red Cross? What about the similar Pirate set?
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Type 1's
Leon - You are right... Time marches on but you don't see Type 1's come around hardly at all. I was able to pick up this little raw beauty last month and when you say they are thin, you just can't realize how thin until you hold it in your hand. As thin as a piece of paper, which I think is amazing in itself, that any survived in decent condition. We have discussed before that a Vg-Ex still remains the highest condition card known, which I am still hopefull one day a pack fresh coupon will be found that was stuck in a book right after the first smoke was lit! Could be the only Type 1 anomoly in condition out there... My hope remains, just see what a card like that would look like... Perhaps, the gent that owns a whole set might have one in better shape than vg-ex !? I have been collecting the 1's for 10 years and maybe 1 or 2 Southern Leaguer's come up for sale a year, so I think these rascals are forgotten, and pushed aside due to how hard it would be to piece a set or sub-set together....
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Jonathan R
The T215-1 set includes these Boston AL guys......
Harry Lord Tris Speaker Jake Stahl Regarding the T215 Pirate set, we had an interesting thread on this set about 8 months ago.....here's the link to this thread: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=123396 TED Z |
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Resource Section?
Would it make sense to create a resource section that this type of thread could go in? This could be the first place someone would go to see what a card set looks like, what the checklist looks like, history of set, etc...
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M@tt McC@arthy I collect Hal Chase, Diamond Stars (PSA 5 or better), 1951 Bowman (Raw Ex or better), 1954 Topps (PSA 7 or better), 1956 Topps (Raw Ex or better), 3x5 Hall of Fame Autographs and autographed Perez Steele Postcards. You can see my collection by going to http://www.collectorfocus.com/collection/BigSix. |
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archive section
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I am on the last stages of the long project of getting the new board rules up too. I am trying to cover everything and want them to be explicit. As previously stated, there won't be any changes in how the board is being ran (good or bad, I guess) but the new rules will be more explicit, so they should help. regards
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1910 COUPON checklist (T213-1)
I have just 12 of these rare cards........additional to the 6 super-prints in the 1st post here are the following. But, I have no expectations
of ever completing this set. Furthermore, I know of only one member of Net54 that has a near complete set, or perhaps he has completed this set. I'm curoius, does any one on this forum know of any completed 1910 COUPON sets ? , . . . Hey guys......how's about joining this show by posting your 1910 COUPON cards. TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 09-02-2017 at 03:06 PM. |
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Type 1
I only have one at the moment.
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Such a cool issue. I wish I had some insightful information but unfortunately I don't. Has there ever been a large find of T213-1 before? I know there was a find of T213-2 and 3's (Hi Bob ) but the thin paper, weather conditions and past hurricanes have most likely wiped them out.
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1910 COUPON checklist (T213-1)
My favorite image in the White-Bordered series of cards......
. . TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 07-17-2017 at 09:16 PM. |
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Here you go Ted...still missing the Buffalo version.
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Hey Chris
You have to find a better centered Factory #8 overprint for your blue Chase collection....then, we can do a deal for the one in your display
T-Rex TED . |
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Hi Cory
I sent you an email.
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1910 COUPON (T213-1 Major Leaguers............
Pictured here are the Major Leaguer's (48) in this set. Most likely that these were derived from an early press run of the 350 series cards
of the T206 set. American Lithographic (ALC) printed these 48 subjects from a set of existing printing plates used to produce their regular press run of this group of 350 series T206's. I have configured these 48 subjects in a 12 x 4 format....since my research indicates that ALC printed their T206 sheets in Columns of 12. I have arranged them essentially by color sequencing. Therefore, any resemblance to an actual layout of these cards would be quite coin- cidental. Furthermore, given that the standard size sheets of that era were 19" x 24", there is a good probability that these subjects were Double- Printed, resulting in a 96-card sheet. Major Leaguer's (48 subjects) Becker......Boston NL Bender (trees)......A's Byrne......St Louis NL Campbell......Cincinnati Chance (portrait-yellow)......Chicago NL Charles......St Louis NL Chase (blue portrait)......New York AL Chase (dark cap)......New York AL Cobb (red portrait).......Detroit Cree......New York AL Donovan (throwing)......Detroit Doolan (fielding)......Phillies Dubuc......Cincinnati Dunn.......Brooklyn Engle.......New York AL Evers (bat-yellow sky)......Chicago NL Fletcher.....New York NL Hartsel......A's Hoffman......St Louis AL Howell (portrait)......St Louis AL Huggins (portrait).....Cincinnati Huggins (hands at mouth)......Cincinnati Hunter......Brooklyn Killian (portrait)......Detroit Knabe......Phillies LaPorte......New York AL Lennox........Brooklyn Marquard (portrait)......New York NL Mathewson (dark cap)......New York NL Marshall.......Brooklyn McBride......Washington McElveen......Brooklyn McIntyre.......Detroit Mitchell.......Cincinnati Mowery.......Cincinnati Myers (bat)......New York NL Myers (fielding)......New York NL Paskert.......Cincinnati Rhoades (hands at chest)......Cleveland Rossman......Detroit Schmidt (portrait)......Detroit Starr......Boston NL Street (portrait)......Washington Summers......Detroit Sweeney......Boston NL Thomas......A's Willett......Detroit Wilson......Pittsburg TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 09-03-2014 at 09:18 PM. |
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1910 COUPON (T213-1) Southern Association sub-set............
In the 150 series press runs, American Lithographic (ALC) printed 34 different Southern Leaguers (SL).....16 of which represent the Southern Association.
In the 350 series press runs of the T206's, ALC expanded the SL sub-set to 48 subjects.....20 of which represent the Southern Association. The four ad- ditional Southern Association subjects are Bill Hart, "Hub" Hart, Lentz & Rockenfeld. This is important, as it clearly sets a Spring/Summer 1910 timeline for the T213-1 cards. This timeline is further reinforced by several other factors....which I will save for another day. Southern Association (20 subjects) Bay........Nashville Bernhard......Nashville Breitenstein......New Orleans Carey..........Memphis Cranston......Memphis Ellam.......Nashville Fritz........New Orleans Greminger.....Montgomery Hart.........Montgomery Hart......Little Rock Hickman......Mobile Jordan........Atlanta Lentz.........Little Rock Molesworth......Birmingham Perdue.......Nashville Persons......Montgomery Reagan.......New Orleans Rockenfeld......New Orleans Smith........Atlanta Thornton......Mobile Note......this format of the twenty Southern Leaguer's is not intended in any way to suggest a printed sheet arrangement. TED Z . |
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