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Other accumulators: Molitor maybe? Yaz, to some extent. Vizquel for sure. Colon. Moyer. Kaat.
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I understand your point, but I would never consider Yaz an accumulator...just because of that 1967 Season! Wow! Was that something special? .
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Ray yeah but if you look beyond the mystique, Yaz had an awful lot of decent but not outstanding seasons that eventually added up.
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When he hit .301?
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Wow! Uh, No! He won the Triple Crown and led the Red Sox to their first pennant in 21 years. Led the league in the following categories: R-112; H-189; HR-44(tied); RBI- 121; BA- .326; OBP- .418; SLG- .622; OPS- 1.040; OPS+- 193; TB- 360; WAR- 12.5 His Sept/Oct slash was .417/.504/.760 Boston lost WS in 7, but Yaz's line was 24AB-10H-3HR-5RIBI .400/.500/.840 Definitely Not an Accumulator's type year. He hit .301 the following year leading the league and also leading with 119 walks. =
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When he was playing, I would say Brett Favre was the best quarterback active. It could be reasonably argued there were better on the field players, but Favre played every game and even an average quarterback in the game is worth more than Johnny Unitas or Dan Marino on the sideline. Plus, he was a great quarterback anyway.
So longevity and games played is itself a desirable quality to the team. Though that's not to be confused with me saying that longevity and "accumulation" make a player a HOFer. I certainly don't think Harold Baines is a HOFer, no matter how many years and games he played. Last edited by drcy; 12-11-2018 at 12:08 PM. |
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Not fair to Biggio to call him an accumulator or compare him to DH Baines without a positional adjustment.
Not much below the average 2b peak or career in the HOF: 65.5 career WAR / 41.8 7yr-peak WAR / 53.7 JAWS Average HOF 2B (out of 20): 69.5 career WAR / 44.5 7yr-peak WAR / 57.0 JAWS
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Baines 121 Pete Rose 118 Beltre 116 Jeter 115 Yount 115 Biggio 112 Sam Rice 112 Ripken 112 Frisch 110 Brock 109 Ichiro 107 Vizquel 82 |
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IMO, Comparing longevity in Football and Baseball is like...well... Comparing Apples and Zagnut Bars. =
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If Molitor is a compiler, so was Pete Rose. Yaz? I can see it, but for a time, he was probably the best player in the game. The problem is that the second half of his career wasn't exceptional. But if we're talking a combination of both offense and defense, in his prime, he was fantastic.
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