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Old 08-06-2003, 02:36 PM
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Posted By: Eric (goudeyhunter)

Since they are uncateloged, I'm interested whether these cards are considered a proof card, that wasn't distributed to the public..or possibly, a separate issue distributed by Colgans with one of their products. The seller who I recently purchased one of these cards from (he's offering more on Ebay currently) raises a good point in his description. He states that his grouping of Colgan squares were found in a scrapbook put together by his relative. He goes on to add that it would seem highly improbable that his relative would have had access to "printers proof" style cards. I would have to agree with his assessment, and believe that these cards were issued by Colgans with one of their products. Are there any established ideas out there on what product they were packaged with, and what year that might have been? I'm also curious what the known extent of this set is at this point?

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Old 08-06-2003, 02:52 PM
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Posted By: Hankron

I beleive that it is generally considered that the Colgan Proofs are a separate issue to the Colagan discs and are not actual proofs.

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

But I did own two of them before. Both came in ASA containers from hagar's auction of the early 1990's. At that time, he was billing them as 1910's... but I don't really know anything about the issue other than the gentleman I sold them to was trying to put together a known "set"...

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Old 08-06-2003, 03:07 PM
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Posted By: Hankron

I forgot to mention that before 1930 there were a number of cheap/small/primitive/obscure cards of similar design to these 'proofs' that were inserted (often times literally stuffed) into small boxes of candy. It would not be an unreasonable guess to say these Colgan's Proofs were sold inside boxes of candy, especially since Colgan sold candy.

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Old 08-06-2003, 03:26 PM
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Posted By: Andy Baran

All I can tell you is that they were probably not produced before 1909, since that is the first year that Harry Hooper was in the majors, and he is represented in the set. However, it is possible that there were cards issued before 1909, and that the set was issued over several years, with new cards added.

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Old 08-06-2003, 05:32 PM
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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

I picked up the Waddell at the National. My guess is that they were maybe some kind of salesman's samples. That would explain why there are more than one, but still not generally introduced to the public. Also, the piece of black construction paper stuck to the back makes me think that maybe they were all stuck in the sample book this way.

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Old 08-06-2003, 08:02 PM
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Posted By: julie

Do not consider these paper squares to be either Colgan's or proofs. On the other hand, we don't know WHAT they are, so feel free to call them whatever you like!

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Old 08-07-2003, 01:19 PM
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Posted By: Jon Canfield

I do remember that the two I owned did not have any remains of being stuck into a book... The backs were actually quite nice - no paper loss - just white like the fronts. I'm not trying to say that they weren't in a book for sur - but mine defenately did not appear as though they were...

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Posted By: petecld

I have always felt they were a seperate issue and definitely not proofs.

It stands to reason the company had other products that weren't suited for the round tins so I just assumed they were issued with a different product in more traditional packaging.

Just my opinion.

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Posted By: Eric Eichelkraut (goudeyhunter)

One other theory I've concocted is, like many other vintage issues, the squares were possibly glued or stuck to a Colgans advertising board, that was placed near the candy in stores. This would explain the rough backside found on so many of the existing examples, and would have also allowed kids/collectors access to them. Whatever the real story may be, I don't believe that these are proof cards, there are too many of them in circulation. They may not even be Colgans related..as many have pointed out.

Another question regarding the squares, are the pictures featured on them the same as those on the Colgan chips? I don't have any to compare, just wondering if anyone had compared the two?

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