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Old 09-17-2019, 04:53 PM
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Default PWCC Lists Forged Derek Jeter Baseball COA Not Steiner Sports

In the past when I have attempted to contact an Auction House or High-End Ebay seller that accepts consignments about a forged item, I NEVER receive a reply or acknowledgement.

So maybe someone here on Net54 can reach out to PWCC and inform them that the below "Derek Jeter" is an obvious forgery.

And, of course, it is not a Steiner Sports product.

Steiner Sports dos not "authenticate."


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Derek-Jeter...b706%7Ciid%3A1




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Old 09-17-2019, 06:24 PM
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These listings are outrageous. How dare a unscrupulous consigner take advantage of such an honest eBay seller.
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:58 PM
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These listings are outrageous. How dare a unscrupulous consigner take advantage of such an honest eBay seller.
Imagine that!!!
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Old 09-17-2019, 07:15 PM
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Imagine that!!!
Just in case anybody doesn't know blue font is the font of sarcasm.
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Old 09-17-2019, 07:36 PM
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Just in case anybody doesn't know blue font is the font of sarcasm.
Yep. Awesome.
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Old 09-17-2019, 07:59 PM
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this isn't the only forged autograph in their auction, there are numerous others

Griffey, tiger, I haven't given the rest a good once over but those and the Jeter are obvious

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Old 09-17-2019, 08:30 PM
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Looks like a toddler did it...
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Old 09-17-2019, 08:48 PM
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In the past when I have attempted to contact an Auction House or High-End Ebay seller that accepts consignments about a forged item, I NEVER receive a reply or acknowledgement.

So maybe someone here on Net54 can reach out to PWCC and inform them that the below "Derek Jeter" is an obvious forgery.

And, of course, it is not a Steiner Sports product.

Steiner Sports dos not "authenticate."


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Derek-Jeter...b706%7Ciid%3A1




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This "Jeter" is laughable.
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Steiner Sports provides a high end service and they know better than to use a sharpie on a baseball. They are also usually more careful than to place their hologram over the stitches of a ball. I sent a link to my Steiner rep to see if they want to address it.
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Whats weird to me is there is a MLB Holo on the ball (the small hologram) - I wonder what its actually for? IIRC those are tamper resistant and look horrible once peeled.
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Whats weird to me is there is a MLB Holo on the ball (the small hologram) - I wonder what its actually for? IIRC those are tamper resistant and look horrible once peeled.
After some thought, Im willing to bet that this is an authentic Jeter ball from Steiner. Then when the autograph faded the owner traced over it in sharpie.
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After some thought, Im willing to bet that this is an authentic Jeter ball from Steiner. Then when the autograph faded the owner traced over it in sharpie.
I guess this qualifies as "conserved," right? And since PWCC doesn't need to disclose any conservation, there's nothing to see here!
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After some thought, I’m willing to bet that this is an authentic Jeter ball from Steiner. Then when the autograph faded the owner traced over it in sharpie.
For something like that I can normally manipulate the photo to show something underneath. Was tough this time but here's what I got. arrows point to dark line under the marker.

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Old 09-18-2019, 04:14 PM
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For something like that I can normally manipulate the photo to show something underneath. Was tough this time but here's what I got. arrows point to dark line under the marker.

That is nice work.

With all of the crap (fake holograms, etc) going on in the hobby, anything is possible.

So no one at PWCC was puzzled by this "Jeter" with a COA from Steiner Sports?
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:08 AM
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Steiner Sports provides a high end service and they know better than to use a sharpie on a baseball. They are also usually more careful than to place their hologram over the stitches of a ball. I sent a link to my Steiner rep to see if they want to address it.
Is Steiner even still operating or is it just a shell for fanatics now?
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:02 AM
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The sticker could be related to game use or some other authentication. Steiner doesn't just sell autographs. They authentic all kinds of game used stuff too. Same goes for MLB. The sticker isn't necessarily related to the autograph.
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:49 AM
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Is Steiner even still operating or is it just a shell for fanatics now?
They are owned by Fanatics. I believe it's just a matter of time before the Steiner name disappears and the remaining inventory will be absorbed by Fanatics. There are currently zero signings listed on the Steiner site... it used to be dozens at any given time.

From the NY Post, Founder and CEO completely blindsided by sale of Steiner Sports to rival, June 12, 2019:

Steiner filed a public notice late Tuesday that all 60 employees at its New Rochelle offices were getting fired. Layoffs will begin Aug. 29, with a complete shuttering of the company by Oct. 29, according to the notice.

A stunning and sudden collapse of what used to be one of the premier names in sports memorabilia.

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Old 09-19-2019, 09:02 AM
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By the way... this is what I got when I suggested that Steiner look into obvious fakes on ebay that had their stickers...
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They are owned by Fanatics. I believe it's just a matter of time before the Steiner name disappears and the remaining inventory will be absorbed by Fanatics. There are currently zero signings listed on the Steiner site... it used to be dozens at any given time.

From the NY Post, Founder and CEO completely blindsided by sale of Steiner Sports to rival, June 12, 2019:

Steiner filed a public notice late Tuesday that all 60 employees at its New Rochelle offices were getting fired. Layoffs will begin Aug. 29, with a complete shuttering of the company by Oct. 29, according to the notice.

A stunning and sudden collapse of what used to be one of the premier names in sports memorabilia.
That sucks for their employees, isn't a member here an employee?
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That is nice work.

With all of the crap (fake holograms, etc) going on in the hobby, anything is possible.

So no one at PWCC was puzzled by this "Jeter" with a COA from Steiner Sports?
PWCC doesn't know anything other than how to over-hype their items for maximum profit. I just received another email from PWCC, touting their Vault, with all of its "tax-free" and "protection" benefits.

The fact that they can even be taken seriously (or are allowed to continue selling their wares while under FBI Investigation) is disgusting.
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For something like that I can normally manipulate the photo to show something underneath. Was tough this time but here's what I got. arrows point to dark line under the marker.

Nicely done Scott. We figured it out.

As far as Steiner - I am in contact with 2 reps who have been there for a few years now. So there are still employees left there from Steiner.
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By the way... this is what I got when I suggested that Steiner look into obvious fakes on ebay that had their stickers...
Nice work Steve being on their blocked list, you must've called them out on some bs because they suck ass and they didn't take too kindly to that.
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Nice work Steve being on their blocked list, you must've called them out on some bs because they suck ass and they didn't take too kindly to that.
I wasn't nasty or anything rude. If I recall I tweeted them a link to an auction with obvious fake junk with their sticker on it... something to the effect of "Steiner... you may want to protect your brand and go after crooks using your sticker to sell fakes"

Their response was to apparently do nothing about the fakes, but instead block me.

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