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Old 09-21-2017, 10:02 AM
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I really like SGC authentic. IMO their authenticators are top notch and very knowledgeable.
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Old 09-28-2017, 08:20 AM
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I believe very strongly that the reason for the mass fails is that it is safer for them to fail good items than pass bad ones.

I know the guys at PSA VERY well (and was a top 5 customer for many years)..

There is a reason however I am exclusive with Beckett Authentication now...

They can pull the trigger when stuff is good (regardless of value), they arenít scared to fail items that are bad (regardless of who submits them) and they arenít scared to pass on rendering an opinion (and refunding fees) when they arenít sure...

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Old 10-10-2017, 06:21 PM
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Just had a bunch of my cards submitted by an auction house to PSA fail. These include Harry Eisenstat who I corresponded with for many years and he signed this in one of our correspondences, Bobby Doerr (who would forge him??), Joe Cronin, 2 Warren Giles- all of which are good. People have seen my posted collection and these are easy guys that are easy to tell if they are legit. Again PSA seems to be saying they are going to reject many if not most vintage signed cards. A friend of mine had a Wagner exhibit with a full PSA (I had traded it to him and had gotten the full PSA for him). He lost the PSA letter and resubmitted the item to them- neglecting to tell them he had lost the letter. This happened recently and they said it was a fake (even though accepting it 2-3 years ago). PSA had previously rejected a Cobb, Lajoie and McKechnie and then after complaining on the forum and resubmitting, they were passed.
Being 66 years old- I wont be collecting forever. I wouldn't want my children to try to sell these after I pass away and have them (the unslabbed majority) all rejected even though folks like Jim Stinson and others have seen them and verbally told me they were good. I don't want to throw away $ on submitting them now if PSA will reject most. Everyone has some fakes but most of us who have been collecting since the 1960's and gotten their autographs IP, TTM and from reputable dealers like Jim, and Rich, and Bill, etc and some better auction houses and none from Coaches etc. We possible know authenticity as well as or better then some people working for TPA's. any advice?
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Old 10-10-2017, 06:34 PM
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Maybe use a different authenticator?
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Old 10-10-2017, 07:41 PM
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And so now we live with the monster we helped create..............and complain about it.

Just submit them 5 or 6 times each until you get what you want.

If that is the real reason they are rejecting these certain players ("too many on the market") then they should refuse to accept them for review and not cash your check.
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:07 PM
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I think most autograph collectors erroneously believed that with Grad and some of the old authenticators at PSA gone and the Big 3 brought in that things would change , but as I have posted several times before concerning this there may be new faces at PSA but the song remains the same (forgive me Led Zepplin fans like myself ). Before Jim retired he and I talked many times for a long time over several weeks about how there would not really be any change at PSA with the Big 3 there now as PSA's saviors and in fact how It (PSA) would become harder in many ways to deal with especially concerning the rare autographs and anything on unofficial non-legal items . They are out now to cover their asses in as many ways possible after Grad's many publicized screw ups even if it means rejecting items in more numbers than before . Remember too that the Big 3 don't see every item or for that matter most items sent to PSA , so PSA's grading is still done by essentially the same untrained staff as before . Jim was right in so many ways about the future and the Big 3 and PSA, and we as collectors are left to suffer at their very whim no matter the authenticity of our items .
It will only get worse with time as long as AHs , dealers, and collectors give PSA , and JSA the power that they DO NOT deserve .
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:08 PM
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I have seen JSA pass some real slop lately, i hate to agree with the other poster, but perhaps you should try JSA instead. This is not an endorsement of JSA, but may get you the best chance of selling them for fair value.

Kevin Keating told me 2 years ago at the national after PSA failing a George Wright that he thought was good-"Go try JSA".
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:13 PM
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Maybe use a different authenticator?
Even though Beckett and SGC may be good , the truth unfortunately is that PSA and to some extent JSA are still kings of the autograph authentication market .
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:12 AM
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And so now we live with the monster we helped create..............and complain about it.

Just submit them 5 or 6 times each until you get what you want.

If that is the real reason they are rejecting these certain players ("too many on the market") then they should refuse to accept them for review and not cash your check.
Point 1 - How sad but true.
Point 2 - Funny,,but who wants to spend more than the autograph is worth
Point 3 - That would be what an ethical business would do.
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:10 PM
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I'm sure some of you guys thought I just had sour grapes. Unfortunately, as I said previously, this is commonplace now. Why would I submit one thing to PSA now when I run the risk of having quality authentic items not pass. Now if I got a refund, I may not complain, but we all know that is not the case.
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