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Old 10-06-2017, 08:38 PM
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This is basically a throwaway thread, but all of us who collect the 1972 Topps set know how hard it is to come by certain cards that are nicely centered. One of the toughest to find with sweet centering is #50 Willie Mays In Action, and a nice premium is usually paid for them. So imagine my surprise when I cruised ebay and ran across these three cards, all given 8's without any qualifiers. Huh??? And they are all in new holders. I thought conventional wisdom says that PSA graders are tougher these days. No?? These cards certainly belie that!! How in heck aren't these 8 OC, as the pictures practically fall off the left side of the card????? Yowza!!!

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Old 10-06-2017, 08:51 PM
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I only use PSA for cards I am going to sell. When I receive those grades on cards like that I am very happy. When I see others get those grades I just shake my head and wonder WTF. That is the most honest answer you will receive.
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Old 10-06-2017, 09:38 PM
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Is it possible they are 9-OC's but the submitter(s) didn't want qualifiers?
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Old 10-07-2017, 04:51 AM
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PSA standards for PSA 8 are 35/65 on the front and 10/90 on the back. The two on the left look around that, and the one on the right should be a 7 or below.
Centering is one place where PSA is more lenient than BGS/BVG, but on par with SGC (as long as it's not miscut).

Neither of them are centered well, but why does it drive you crazy? Continue to pay a premium for centered copies, and pass less or don't buy uncentered copies.
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Old 10-07-2017, 06:33 AM
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My guess is they were graded many years ago and re-holdered
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Old 10-07-2017, 08:46 AM
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Nope, they all have new cert numbers. Would retain original certs if they were reholdered.
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Is it possible they are 9-OC's but the submitter(s) didn't want qualifiers?
If only we actually had that option. Lol
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PSA standards for PSA 8 are 35/65 on the front and 10/90 on the back. The two on the left look around that, and the one on the right should be a 7 or below.
The left-most two look OK to me as well, the card on the right should be 8 OC.
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If only we actually had that option. Lol
Q: What are “Qualifiers” and “No Grades”?
A: A “Qualifier” is a term used when an item meets all of the criteria for a particular grade but may still have one significant flaw. Depending on the severity of the flaw, we may be able to “qualify” the item for a higher grade by identifying this indiscretion on the label, for example: OC – Off Center or PD– Print Defects. You have the option of selecting “No Qualifiers” on the submission form; however, please keep in mind the card grade will be lowered depending on the severity. Moreover, there are certain qualifiers that PSA will not remove such as MK –marked and MC – miscut, for example.

The “No Grade” term is used when an item cannot be graded by PSA for a variety of reasons. For example, PSA will not grade items that bear evidence of trimming (N1), restoration (N2), recoloration (N3), questionable authenticity (N4), altered stock (N5) or cleaning (N7). In the event that PSA rejects an item for any of these reasons, it will be returned and the grading fees are still charged, as the determination to reject a card requires an expert review by PSA's authenticators and graders. PSA will also not grade items that do not meet the minimum size requirement (N6), were miscut by the manufacturer (N8), or items we do not grade due to being an obscure issue or not fitting in our holders (N9). Items that receive N6, N8 or N9 results will not be charged the grading fee.
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He may be saying that he would take the conversion of any 9(OC) to an 8. PSA will normally automatically downgrade a single grade drop due to any flaw, but return a Mint card that's heavily off-centered either 9(OC) or PSA 7 or below based on their listed requirements on that page:
PSA 7: 75/25 or better
PSA 6: 80/20 or better
PSA 5: 85/15 or better
PSA 4: 85/15 again
PSA 3: 90/10 or better
PSA 2: 90/10 again
PSA 1.5: 90/10 again
PSA 1: Not miscut

So a Gem Mint otherwise card that's 89/11 can supposedly only get a top non-qualified grade of PSA 3, or it would be a 9(OC). That's why I never select "No qualifiers." Why not take a much higher grade and registry set value? 9(Q) = 7 for the registy.
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