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Old 10-07-2017, 02:44 PM
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PSA never removes the OC qualifier from their grade.

Yes you can get a no-grade, but they will never downgrade an 8 or 9 card
due to centering, removing the OC. To do otherwise is fraudulent.

They have never done this and never will. A card's attributes cannot
be changed. It is what it is. And the submitter has no say in this.

If you want your 8-OC to become a 7, then I suggest that you crack
it out, damage a few corners, and resubmit.
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PSA never removes the OC qualifier from their grade.

Yes you can get a no-grade, but they will not downgrade a card
due to centering, removing the OC.

They have never done this and never will. A card's attribute cannot
be changed. It is what it is.
The won't remove mk or MC qualifiers, but if a card is submitted with "no qualifiers" requested, it will be graded at the highest grade for the measured centering without the o/c designation.
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Old 10-07-2017, 02:59 PM
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The won't remove mk or MC qualifiers, but if a card is submitted with "no qualifiers" requested, it will be graded at the highest grade for the measured centering without the o/c designation.
If they are doing this now then it's a newer policy. I haven't done a PSA
subsmission in two years. But to me that's fraudulent. If the card is OC
then it just is -- and to say it is not is a lie.

So are they now allowing 8OC cards to become a 6.? Geez I'm glad that
I stopped monkeying with PSA. It's just a money grab now. Totally bogus.
Would be more valid to just stop giving OC qualifiers completely and let the
market determine if the card looks good for the grade.
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:28 PM
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Yeah, you're talking out of ignorance on this one. I have already wrote their standards down in the thread and you can get a 6 just for off-centeredness with no other damage and no OC if you request No Qualifiers on the submission. Either you didn't know the rules in the first place, or you haven't been paying attention for a long time.
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Old 10-07-2017, 07:04 PM
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I only use PSA for cards I am going to sell. When I receive those grades on cards like that I am very happy. When I see others get those grades I just shake my head and wonder WTF. That is the most honest answer you will receive.
Agreed. I personally prefer Beckett grading but since PSA commands the top prices I buy PSA

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You most certainly can request no qualifiers. This has been an option since 1993 or 1994 shortly after they started. that would make a 9 oc worse then an 8 though. Its generally two lower some more very few times less. I also agree that i think the first two just make it. the third one looks like they missed the oc qualifier on data submission. like stated mc and mk qualifiers can not be opted out of.

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Old 10-07-2017, 10:35 PM
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Q: What are “Qualifiers” and “No Grades”?
A: A “Qualifier” is a term used when an item meets all of the criteria for a particular grade but may still have one significant flaw. Depending on the severity of the flaw, we may be able to “qualify” the item for a higher grade by identifying this indiscretion on the label, for example: OC – Off Center or PD– Print Defects. You have the option of selecting “No Qualifiers” on the submission form; however, please keep in mind the card grade will be lowered depending on the severity. Moreover, there are certain qualifiers that PSA will not remove such as MK –marked and MC – miscut, for example.

The “No Grade” term is used when an item cannot be graded by PSA for a variety of reasons. For example, PSA will not grade items that bear evidence of trimming (N1), restoration (N2), recoloration (N3), questionable authenticity (N4), altered stock (N5) or cleaning (N7). In the event that PSA rejects an item for any of these reasons, it will be returned and the grading fees are still charged, as the determination to reject a card requires an expert review by PSA's authenticators and graders. PSA will also not grade items that do not meet the minimum size requirement (N6), were miscut by the manufacturer (N8), or items we do not grade due to being an obscure issue or not fitting in our holders (N9). Items that receive N6, N8 or N9 results will not be charged the grading fee.
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PSA never removes the OC qualifier from their grade.

Yes you can get a no-grade, but they will never downgrade an 8 or 9 card
due to centering, removing the OC. To do otherwise is fraudulent.

They have never done this and never will. A card's attributes cannot
be changed. It is what it is. And the submitter has no say in this.

If you want your 8-OC to become a 7, then I suggest that you crack
it out, damage a few corners, and resubmit.
What I posted above is right out of their site. I bolded and tilted it specifically to emphasis that for you.

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You most certainly can request no qualifiers. This has been an option since 1993 or 1994 shortly after they started. that would make a 9 oc worse then an 8 though. Its generally two lower some more very few times less. I also agree that i think the first two just make it. the third one looks like they missed the oc qualifier on data submission. like stated mc and mk qualifiers can not be opted out of.
I wasn't a 100% sure how long that had been an option but I did know it had been around for a while.
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Yes I stand corrected.

But it's a shameful practice really. If a card is truly OC then that should not be changeable at the submitter's whim.

For me it's practices like this that make PSA a shameful money grab
and undermine the credibility of TPG. Just accept a lower grade and
you can make an entire attribute of a card go away. Total nonsense.
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Yes I stand corrected.

But it's a shameful practice really. If a card is truly OC then that should not
be changeable at the submitter's whim.

For me it's practices like this that make PSA a shameful money grab
and undermine the credibility of TPG. Just accept a lower grade and
you can make an entire attribute of a card go away. Total nonsense.

My favorite LCS stlll refuses to deal with graded cards, and he continues
on as if the whole thing never happened. I see his viewpoint sometimes
and an issue like this is one of the reasons.
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:16 AM
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Yes I stand corrected.

But it's a shameful practice really. If a card is truly OC then that should not be changeable at the submitter's whim.

For me it's practices like this that make PSA a shameful money grab
and undermine the credibility of TPG. Just accept a lower grade and
you can make an entire attribute of a card go away. Total nonsense.
Haven't SGC and Beckett been grading cards without the use of qualifiers and deducting from a card's overall grade for being off centered since they started? Seems like PSA is merely providing this same option to their customers by allowing submitters to request that most qualifiers not be applied to their card and subsequently deducting for the centering from the grade.

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