Stolen Card on Ebay

[chris]

I thought I should let everyone know. Ebay seller kevino35 is selling a stolen card. I won a Dietsche Ty Cobb post card in the last (SCL) Sports Card Link auction. I was notified by their shipping department that they had accidentally shipped this card to another customer on accident and that they were doing all they could to recover the card for me. I figured there was an outside chance whomever got the Cobb from SCL might list it on Ebay, and sure enough it popped up on Ebay this morning. Item number 370753274525. I have tried to notify SCL but they are closed for the weekend. I thought I should let everyone know to steer clear of Ebay seller kevino35.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/370753274525...525%26_rdc%3D1

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Chris Buckler

[Jay Wolt]

Did you contact the eBay seller?

[Michael Peich]

Hi Chris,

Sorry you're going through this. I'd contact the eBay seller and tell him you're aware of what he is doing. And I'd also contact SCL on Monday, per your plan. This seller must be a maroon if he thinks he can get away with selling a stolen card.

Good luck,
Mike

[johnmh71]

I had a bad experience on ebay with this seller. He tends to overstate the condition of his cards.

[lharri3600]

Originally Posted by johnmh71

I had a bad experience on ebay with this seller. He tends to overstate the condition of his cards.

He sure as heck does at times

[Bocabirdman]

Do we know that the seller is ACTUALY the accidental recipient? Or is he guilty of nothing more than buying a card from someone without knowing it was "stolen"?

[frankh8147]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

Do we know that the seller is ACTUALY the accidental recipient? Or is he guilty of nothing more than buying a card from someone without knowing it was "stolen"?

That was on my mind too..however, if you take a close look at the card- you can see 'LEWIS" written and erased between his legs when you zoom in. He has it marked as 'excellent' and doesnt disclose this so that kind of takes away some of his credibility in my eyes.

[EvilKing00]

I can say, that recently a board member emailed me with some t205s he wanted to sell, he said he had no clue what they were worth. I guess i could of lied to him, but i didnt. Told him what they were worth and that I couldnt afford them.

I think finding a bag of cash, or getting extra money from a big bank isnt the same as if you saw a regular person drop $100.00 on the ground and give it back. Im not going to give money back to chase bank, but if a guy drops cash on the ground i would. I know chase has no issue with cash but a working guy who is busting his back to put food on the table for his kids and pay his mortgage, thats just different IMO

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

I can say, that recently a board member emailed me with some t205s he wanted to sell, he said he had no clue what they were worth. I guess i could of lied to him, but i didnt. Told him what they were worth and that I couldnt afford them.

I think finding a bag of cash, or getting extra money from a big bank isnt the same as if you saw a regular person drop $100.00 on the ground and give it back. Im not going to give money back to chase bank, but if a guy drops cash on the ground i would. I know chase has no issue with cash but a working guy who is busting his back to put food on the table for his kids and pay his mortgage, thats just different IMO

I see no difference here King, either way you are not entitled to keep it IMO.

[flavius]

It is of course completely unethical, and it's unfortunate that he is selling it off. However, I just don't think "stolen" is the right way to word it. It was misplaced, and SCL will be compensating you for it. You can probably have them win the ebay auction and ship it back to you.

There is a chance the seller doesn't even know it was supposed to go to someone else, but my main point is that this is much more SCL's fault than it is the person it was accidently shipped to.

Sorry if I turned some heads...

[frankh8147]

I think that after a few messages between you and the seller, this will be cut and dry. That 'Lewis' which is written and erased under Cobb's legs is pretty hard to dispute. Just go to the page where you originally bought this card, show that the the signature is exactly the same and its going to be hard to dispute...

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by flavius

There is a chance the seller doesn't even know it was supposed to go to someone else

Yes, this is extremely possible.

If you couldn't tell this is sarcasm.

[Exhibitman]

It might not be "stolen" but it is really, really sleazy to try and profit from an AH mistake like that. Golden Rule and all...

[Fred]

Originally Posted by flavius

"this is much more SCL's fault than it is the person it was accidently shipped to.

Sorry if I turned some heads...

Fault? I'm going to guess it was an honest mistake on the part of the shipper.

Perhaps your initial post was taken out of context but the part that indicated there was no obligation to return the card probably hit people the wrong way.

[pclpads]

[I]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

I think finding a bag of cash, or getting extra money from a big bank isnt the same as if you saw a regular person drop $100.00 on the ground and give it back. Im not going to give money back to chase bank, but if a guy drops cash on the ground i would. I know chase has no issue with cash but a working guy who is busting his back to put food on the table for his kids and pay his mortgage, thats just different IMO

Reminds me of the Yogi-ism when asked what he'd do if he found a million dollars: "If the guy was poor, I'd give it back."

[lharri3600]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

Do we know that the seller is ACTUALY the accidental recipient? Or is he guilty of nothing more than buying a card from someone without knowing it was "stolen"?

Good point Mike. I know Kevin and I just don't think he would do something like that. However, I could be wrong here.

[Jlighter]

Edited: Not necessary

[Moonlight Graham]

I'm sorry-I was reading your post and I was going to start a post but didn't leave yours-how do i delete?

[chris]

Hey Guys - Yes I contacted the seller and have yet to get a response. I also contacted Ebay and they said they will look into it. I will contact SCL on Monday.

Good to hear from you Mike, I hope all is well. Its going to be a tough year to be a Phillies fan, haha.. Go Reds!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Moonlight Graham

I'm sorry-I was reading your post and I was going to start a post but didn't leave yours-how do i delete?

I did a soft delete. I have done the same thing before, forget what thread I am in and post accidentally. I think only I can delete posts.....unfortunately I am almost always on the board so can usually help.

[Moonlight Graham]

Thank you Leon!

[EvilKing00]

u can "move" the posts as well, to a different thread, or better yet to its own thread and give it its own , title. Each post will have a box to the right, fill in the box, scroll toward bottom the the current thread, there should be a drop down menu. U can choose, to merge, move, copy, deleat, etc.

[AndyG09]

Not sure how Moonlight fits in this thread, but good luck getting your card back, Chris.

Best,

Andy

[jb217676]

Hopefully someone can shed some moonlight on this situation. This seller has danced with the devil in the pale moonlight, hopefully you get your card back, it's a beauty!

[Moonlight Graham]

Chris, I'm sorry and I hope you get your card back-I'm an idiot and I have no idea how to delete my message-I was going to start a different thread on Field Of Dreams after I finished reading your post-agian I am sorry and I hope you get either your card or this crook!
Joe

[howard38]

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[deebro041]

Can he leave the country with a criminal record?

[Brendan]

Originally Posted by howard38

This is somewhat similar. The accidental recipient in this case seems like a straight up criminal though what he did is evidently not illegal in the UK:

http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/a-...ml?.tsrc=opera

Only difference is it was that own women's doing that cost her $40K. If I was the guy that she sent the money to for two years, I'd gladly send it all back in one big package, with a brochure to a nearby hospital for the mentally retarded.

All jokes aside, I think it's pretty clear to everyone that the smart thing to do would have been to send the card back to the intended recipient immediately. Waiting for there to be a big stink about it doesn't really change anything, except for the legal aspect. In fact, I'd consider the moves kevino35 made to be even sleazier than just not returning the card and effectively stealing it. At least in that case he wouldn't be claiming to have done nothing wrong.

In regards to "flavius," I slightly agree with a few bits and pieces of his statements. While an incident like this will certainly hurt his reputation (though reputation can be a bit overrated - what percent of people in the hobby will actually read this entire thread and remember it next time they deal with him? 10%?), legally I've seen very little evidence to prove that this seller really knew he was selling someone else's property. The guy does a lot of business, clearly - who's to say he didn't just figure he won the Cobb?

I'm really not surprised, though. Actually, I'd almost consider it normal for most of the population to go the route Kevin did. Luckily, this hobby is a little more tight-knit than the general population and people like Kevin are rarer in prewar cards than postwar, memorabilia, and nonsports.

As always, the best test of a man's character is when nobody (or very few people) are watching.