*** Official REA Partnering Thread ***

[mrvster]

Hello all

I would love a card or two in the upcoming rea lot #298 t206 errors...(i really would love the whole lot, but with rea one never knows)......


i may take a good run at the whole lot, but wanted to see if anyone might want to partner, talk, etc....


lmk

thanks


Johnny

[shammus]

I've seen a couple posts like this on the board already so I thought I'd try to compile everything here.

Here are a few I'd be interested in. The z18s, Orange Borders and e90-3s would be my favorites -

#162 - 15 e90-3s
#194 - 8 e97 B&Ws
#356 - 15 Orange Borders
#529 - z19 Near-set (maybe the z20 and z11 groups too)
#530 - 60 z18s
#588 - 13 Oxfords

Thanks much,
Brian

[nolemmings]

I'm looking for partners in the large m101-4/5 group of 105 SGC graded (lot 563), and also would be willing to pay for some of the nicer m101-4/5 cards in lot 568 (near complete set). Please don't make me beg.

[rhettyeakley]

I don't plan on going after the 1911 Zeenut lot but I would like to pick up a few from that lot should someone want to pursue them.
-Rhett

[nolemmings]

I would also be interested in buying a chunk of the LOT 371: 1909-1911 E254 Colgan's Chips Collection (119 cards).

[rhettyeakley]

Todd, there are 4-5 cards I could use from that lot if you get a group together (not enough for me to make a run on the group myself).

[Collect Equity]

As a newbie, I'm curious to know how the partnering usually works. How do you decide who places the bids? How do you jointly decide upon the maximum bid price on the lot? How do you decide the cost you will share if you still don't know how much the lot will close for? If the lot is a bunch of commons and a key HOF, how do you decide how much of the cost the person getting the HOF should cover?

All tips and advice are welcome.

Here are the lots I know I'm interested in, but I haven't got my catalog and pored over every lot yet, so there could be more.

Lot 356 - Orange Borders - Carrigan and Stahl
Lot 297 - T206 Rare Backs - Carrigan Broadleaf

-Jonathan

[simas7173]

Brian, I would be interested in a card or two from Lot #194. Thanks Joey

[Brian Campf]

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[nolemmings]

As a newbie, I'm curious to know how the partnering usually works. How do you decide who places the bids? How do you jointly decide upon the maximum bid price on the lot? How do you decide the cost you will share if you still don't know how much the lot will close for? If the lot is a bunch of commons and a key HOF, how do you decide how much of the cost the person getting the HOF should cover?

There are of course many ways to approach it, but I'll give you some generalities on some deals where I have participated. I have not been in any large consortia, which may have its own dynamic. For smaller groups, you set a max price that you're willing to go, and commit to shares (not necessarily equal) of that price. The collectors then piece out what cards they must have as part of their take and divvy up the rest in a manner they all find acceptable. In your example, one guy might insist on the HOFer and may not get much else and/or may have to be flexible, and of course may end up paying just as much as others depending on the HOFer--everyone prices these out in their own minds to make sure they're getting their desired value. I've also been part of a winning lot where we had kind of a "draft" of the residual or common players--I pick Betzel, you take Weilman, my turn again, etc.

When the price approaches or exceeds your max, you need to have everyone on board as to what happens next. You pick someone as bidder at the outset, and stay in pretty regular contact, especially of course auction night. Obviously, trust and familiarity go a long way. You have a bidding strategy--maybe enter a block bid or jump a few spots beyond the next increment so that the opponent will have to exceed your max to go in the lead. You confirm beforehand that if your max is topped, who in your group is out and whether/should the group continue--if so, someone or all may have to commit more $$$ to the project. It can get frenzied but not in my experience--again, if you know your "partners" there is a comfort level that can make these things go very smoothly.

I'm probably leaving out a bunch of things but there's a starting point.

[scotty21690]

Originally Posted by Collect Equity

As a newbie, I'm curious to know how the partnering usually works. How do you decide who places the bids? How do you jointly decide upon the maximum bid price on the lot? How do you decide the cost you will share if you still don't know how much the lot will close for? If the lot is a bunch of commons and a key HOF, how do you decide how much of the cost the person getting the HOF should cover?

All tips and advice are welcome.

Here are the lots I know I'm interested in, but I haven't got my catalog and pored over every lot yet, so there could be more.

Lot 356 - Orange Borders - Carrigan and Stahl
Lot 297 - T206 Rare Backs - Carrigan Broadleaf

-Jonathan

Save some Carrigans for the rest of us!

[carrigansghost]

So now everyone is on my bandwagon. Look for mine in the Live auctions coming up soon.

Rawn

[Vintagecatcher]

I would love to buy the 1912 Berry and Boles Zeenuts in this lot:

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=18796

I will pay extremely well for these two cards, so I can finish my run of catcher pose cards in this set.

If someone wins this set and already has these cards, I'd like to buy the duplicates.


Thanks,


Patrick

[birdman42]

If anyone is going after the lot of Rose PCs (lot 722) I could take a couple off your hands: the Milan and any one other Washington player.

Bill

[Steve D]

I'm interested in the San Antonio Broncho cards from the T210 Series 3 lot,
and also some of the Los Angeles cards in the T212 lots.

Steve

[Collect Equity]

Originally Posted by scotty21690

Save some Carrigans for the rest of us!

So you too can drown out the sorrows of a 2-10 start by buying vintage RS cards?

[scotty21690]

Originally Posted by Collect Equity

So you too can drown out the sorrows of a 2-10 start by buying vintage RS cards?

That about sums it up!

EDIT: By the way, I LOVE that card in your avatar!

[tbob]

I need 4 cards from the 1911 Zeenut lot to complete my set. I was planning on trying to win the whole lot and selling off all but the 4 so I would be interested in partnering if 54ers are interested.
tbob

If anyone needs a little extra money chipped in on the old judge lot in REA I am trying to pick up at least one whole Louisville card that isn't trimmed etc. I am very interested in the Scott Stratton card especially. If anyone is bidding on the lot and would like a little extra money chipped in I am interested in any of the Louisville cards in it. Email me at wacturner@hotmail.com
if interested in the help. The whole lot is way out of my pay grade as they say.

Tony Turner

[sox1903wschamp]

If anyone wins this lot:

LOT 119: 1912 T207 Brown Background Rarities: SGC-Graded Collection (25)

I would be very interested in the Bushelman (SGC 20) from the lot. I could also partner to help with the lot if needed. Thanks, Michael

[rdixon1208]

Originally Posted by Steve D

I'm interested in the San Antonio Broncho cards from the T210 Series 3 lot,
and also some of the Los Angeles cards in the T212 lots.

Steve

I'm also interested in all or some of the Houston cards from the T210 lot. Anyone else collecting Series 3?

[T206BrownHindu]

I would be interested in the Perry Lipe Brown Hindu from Lot 297. Please let me know if you would like to partner on this one, thanks.

Mark

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by rdixon1208

I'm also interested in all or some of the Houston cards from the T210 lot. Anyone else collecting Series 3?

I'd be interested in the Dallas cards.

[smtjoy]

I am intersted in the T210-3, I need a bunch and im open on the teams.

[slidekellyslide]

I'm no lawyer, but isn't this collusion? I know it's been going on with this forum forever, but I've always been a bit curious about that...I know that if you go to an auction you can not sit there and make deals with people to not bid on this and they won't bid on that.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I'm no lawyer, but isn't this collusion? I know it's been going on with this forum forever, but I've always been a bit curious about that...I know that if you go to an auction you can not sit there and make deals with people to not bid on this and they won't bid on that.

What you described is collusion (whether it is in person or virtual). What happens here is not. Many cases where people team up it is because they can't afford to pursue the lot on their own and so by having them as part of the bidding pool through this kind of thread it's actually accomplishing the exact opposite of what collusion does for the consignor.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Matt

What you described is collusion (whether it is in person or virtual). What happens here is not. Many cases where people team up it is because they can't afford to pursue the lot on their own and so by having them as part of the bidding pool through this kind of thread it's actually accomplishing the exact opposite of what collusion does for the consignor.

If I'm at an auction and there is a box of cards is it legal for me to tell my bidding nemisis that I won't bid if he'll split the cards with me after the auction?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

If I'm at an auction and there is a box of cards is it legal for me to tell my bidding nemisis that I won't bid if he'll split the cards with me after the auction?

I'm pretty sure that's collusion, but again, that's not analogous. What if we met at auction and started talking about a lot and we each observe that it's too bad because it has some really cool cards and there's no way we could win it individually, at which point, you propose the brilliant idea of pooling our money to go after the lot. Not only is that not collusion, it's desirable to the consignor.

To put a finer point on it, I believe it is only collusion if all participating parties initially had intent to go after the full lot.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Matt

I'm pretty sure that's collusion, but again, that's not analogous. What if we met at auction and started talking about a lot and we each observe that it's too bad because it has some really cool cards and there's no way we could win it individually, at which point, you propose the brilliant idea of pooling our money to go after the lot. Not only is that not collusion, it's desirable to the consignor.

To put a finer point on it, I believe it is only collusion if all participating parties initially had intent to go after the full lot.

How can you prove intent?

[Anthony S.]

I need someone to buy the 1909 Obak set and then sell me the Speas.

I know that will happen. Thanks in advance.

[barrysloate]

Dan- we've had this discussion many times, and I was always the one who suggested these groups were colluding to keep the bids down. But now I realize there can be extenuating circumstances.

Say there is a large lot of cards that appears likely to sell for around 10K. And let's suppose that five collectors can each use quite a few cards in the lot, but none of them can afford to spend that much. As a result, they form a group and bid on it that way. In that example, you've actually created an extra bidder, because individually none of them would have bid.

I imagine intent has something to do with whether or not it is collusion, but I don't know legally know how it can be determined.

[T206DK]

Originally Posted by rdixon1208

I'm also interested in all or some of the Houston cards from the T210 lot. Anyone else collecting Series 3?

I collect series 3 also, and am particularly interested in the Crable , Galveston card. I've been trying to get this card for about 17 years now

[cliftons8]

I would really like some of the bf2's in lot #556:
Harry Coveleskie
Josh Devore
Joe Gedeon
Miller Huggins
Bill Killefer
Bill James
and Joe Jackson

If the winner is not interested in parting with all of these, please keep me in mind for one of the Joe Jackson pennants.

Thanks,
Mike

[kkkkandp]

I'll keep Tony Turner company by saying I, too, would be interested in some cards in the lot containing the Louisville players (not necessarily the Louisville players, Tony, and specifically not Stratton ).

[AndyG09]

Anybody looking to partner up on Lot #278? It's a lot of 56 SGC 50 206s.

Best,

Andy

[rdixon1208]

If you're interested in going in on the T210-3 lot, please PM me your email address. I'll send out a group email and we can go from there.

[John V]

Is anyone interested in the T210-1 lot?

[tbob]

I've been on both sides of the collective bidding coin, consigning and as a bidding partner. I agree with Barry and others that it actually many times helps the seller because collectors will get together to bid on and buy a lot/set when each collector only needs a portion of the total lot/set.
I don't consider it in any way collusion because I know on the last three or four sets I have bid on with others, I and several others of the partners wouldn't have been able to financially bid on and buy the whole item and thus would have been knocked out of the bidding. Thus the "cabal" style bidding did not reduce the number of bidders and thus lower the final price for the seller but instead kept a very active and competitive bidder involved and brought the price up.
Just my 2 cents.....

[Mikehealer]

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[milkit1]

I wouldnt mind getting in on the big m101 lot. Anyone else into this?

[wolf2039]

I am pursuing this lot and there will be 14 cards I do not need. If anyone is interested in these 14 cards as a lot, let me know what you'd be willing to pay. If we agree on the price, I will sell you the cards should I be fortunate enough to win the lot.

The 14 cards are:

Davidson
Demmitt (NY)
Devlin
Dougherty (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Gray
Hoffman
McBride
Merkle (portrait)
Mowrey
Payne
Seymour (portrait)
Heinie Smith
Snodgrass (catching)

Thanks!

[ls7plus]

Anybody interested in partnering in on lot 788, the '51 Wheaties Premiums? I'm after the main card, of course (Mantle), and possibly the Rizzuto, but don't really want to pay for the other hall-of-famers. I would assume that the Mantle in PSA 6 alone would fetch $1500-$2000, based on past sales.

Larry

[oldjudge]

Is anyone interested in partnering on the T206 Wagner? i'd think we can cut it up, have a restorer make a brand new Wagner out of each of the pieces, sell all the copies, and come out way ahead.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Is anyone interested in partnering on the T206 Wagner? i'd think we can cut it up, have a restorer make a brand new Wagner out of each of the pieces, sell all the copies, and come out way ahead.

LMAO, classic!

Jay you owe me a new keyboard I think the Coke I spit out of my mouth may have an effect on it....

[iwantitiwinit]

Yeah good one but actually not too far fetched. Where is the line between restored and counterfeit, between restored and contrived?

[Rich Klein]

I think that has been in a slightly different way before -- with a group of people all owning a "share" in a Wagner card

Rich

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

I think that has been in a slightly different way before -- with a group of people all owning a "share" in a Wagner card

Rich

In a scenario like Rich described, I wonder who would get the Wagner on the weekends? Or would it be fairer if all parties alternated possession on weekends and major holidays?

Brian

[ValKehl]

Todd, Rhett & Sean,
I am interested in the following 3 cards from this lot:
M101-4 #91 Johnson w/blank back.
M101-4 #142 Rixey w/Herpolsheimer back.
M101-5 #130 or # 158 w/Successful Farming back.
Val
ekehl333@aol.com

[jp1216]

If anyone is into #353 T206 BLs. I'm interested in the BL350 Grimshaw.

[shammus]

Brief update -

I have a teams interested in the e97s, z18s and EUnc orange borders. I'll be starting to organize things in the next day or so if you have interest in any of these, let me know.

Anyone out there interested in the e90-3s? Haven't heard back from anybody on that group yet....