2005 SCD Thanks Bob!

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Posted By: Eric

I received my 2005 SCD in yesterday's mail, and wanted to drop a quick thanks to Bob Lemke and staff for yet another well updated guide. I was thrilled to see the addition of several key Cuban issues, along with the first cataloging of many postcards and other assorted vintage rarities. And thanks to Bob..my "wantlist" just got more out of control... ; )

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Posted By: Robert

Where did you order yours from? Rob

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Posted By: Paul

I received a notice today from Amazon that my book shipped today.

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Posted By: Robert

That's funny I also ordered from Amazon but have not gotten an email saying that my book was shipped? Rob

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Posted By: Julie

The Old Judges are in two parts: regular (ALL but HOF!) and HOF. The regular uisually list three poses, and of course, one or two may be Players League or Spotted Tie or Browns Champions.... The HOF typically list at least SIX poses, with a price for each. The Chicago portrait of Kelly, only one listed, is 8,500 without cap (there are actually TWO without cap from Chicago, I think) and the Hoy, any kind (only three listed) lists for 5,600.00. I'm SURE you can wait for the rest ofr the good news...Oh, Behel is still 50,000, in spite of late reports that the gentleman wasn't Jewish, after all. The HOFers are listed, only by name, in their alphabetical place among the commons, and you are referred to the HOF section. very nicely done, and very expensive...like Old Judges.

Common N173s list for 1500.00.

I've taken up enough of your time!

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Posted By: warshawlaw

is it even fair to call it a common anymore?

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Posted By: Robert

Does anyone have a 800 number for Amazon, I just checked the status of my order and the site tells me I do not have an order. But I did order it and recieved an email  with my order number from them. Should have just got it from Krause. Rob

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Posted By: Julie

I am TOO logged in!

And, for any 800 number information, 1-800-555-1212

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Posted By: Julie

...but there are Red Stocking Cigar (schedules)...

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Posted By: Eric

Rob~
I bought my copy from Amazon. I recieved an email stating it was being shipped, and recieved the book the following day. I was shocked by the quick delivery time because last year when I ordered the 2004 guide through them, it took close to 3 weeks to deliver after I recieved the shipping email. Go figure..

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Posted By: Julie

At first they were saying the had the books on the 16th and would deliver them by the 21st, but then discovered they didn't have to books in yet, so upgraded everyone's shipping to 2-day shipping, and--at least in my case--didn't charge for it. In the mess, they forgot to send out "book has shipped" notices, when they got them in, the 21st, so your book arrived, often, the day you got the "book has shipped" notice.

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Posted By: scott brockelman

mine came via USPS today and took scott forrest's advice and cut that sucker down, works great!, just used clear packing tape.

if anyone would like my 2004 copy(intact) no writing or damage, just a little cover wear, i'll ship it to you for $15 1st emailer gets it. paypal OK

scott

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Bob!

Why NO "Peck & Snyders" ????????

You can't leave out the cards that STARTED the whole craze!!!

Was this an oversight that has already been discussed?

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Posted By: scott brockelman

EOM

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Anyone know why Peck & Snyder got slighted?

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Posted By: Julie

arguing about which was the first, where the stores were were located when, etc.

It never occurred to us that they...weren't CARDS (gulp!)

Yes, Hal, I mentioned it in the 2nd post...

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

There are LOADS of "team" cards in the SCD (Kalamazoo Bats, Joseph Hall Cabinets, Sporting Life, etc.)...

so the Peck & Snyder cards are no different than those.

Must just be a mistake... albeit a big one.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I think Bob checks this site every once in a while, but he is very busy...

especially with the re-printing of his digest that is required (I can't recall what the omission was that dictated this).

Hopefully they can get the "Peck & Snyders" back in the REPRINTED version??

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Posted By: Bob Lemke

The Peck & Snyder cards were purposely omitted, along with most or all other "non-series" team-photo cards. Those that made the cut, such as T200, Kalamazoo Bats, Jos. Hall, 1951 Topps, etc., team cards are "different" in that they were issued for many teams and have a long history in the hobby and/or were issued with tobacco products. Until I get approval to split the data base into two or more volumes, this type of thing is going to happen more often. Worst case scenario is that many of the non-card items and peripheral cards will go into rotating sections -- foreign cards, pins, team-issues, etc. -- to run every two or three years.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Please convey to the powers that be that the hobby and your readers are being done a disservice by listing pages of new crap and delisting old and valuable cards...

On an unrelated note, I have to comment on the exhibit card valuations. Let me first preface this by saying that I think your book is head and shoulders above the rest, and I have nothing but respect for you. It was nice to see the 1928 PCL set quintuple in value and the 1924 set triple in value, but these increases as well as the price drops on some of the other cards are inexplicable in light of market activity. I believe in the rarity of the 1928 set and I am constantly on the prowl for them. I've seen only a few sell over the last year and I scoured the National for these cards, without success. I had a standing offer to buy them at book for years in the VCBC classifieds. Never a bite. While I believe that the prices shown in the 2005 book are closer to the reality of the set if any ever came to auction, I just haven't seen widespread sales that support the pricing. And if we are engaged in an exercise in theoretical pricing, then why is Reese's value 1/3 that of Averill and less than Wally Berger's? Makes no sense, since Reese hasn't been to market in years and would sky if it ever did come up because of the Yankee and Jewish collector interest. If anyone has a Reese, I'll take it for the book price adjusted for the grade. Heck, I'll pay the ex price for a vg card.

Nor have I seen data supporting some of the price drops. I have no data supporting, for example, that the 1929 Exhibit Star Picture Stamps Ruth has fallen in value. I track this card for my boxing book because of the Dempsey on it. The two sales I've seen have been for cards in less than vg condition and have exceeded the VG price in the book. There have been no sales of near mint or even ex examples of this card, at least none I've seen. Dropping the price on the basis of the data I've seen is unsupported.

Most of the Exhibit HOFers have values entirely out of line with reality, especially when adjusted for condition. Many of the prices haven't moved in years. Also, there just isn't a straight mathematical progression through the grades for these cards, especially the later full bleed dark colored issues, where true ex-mt or better has to be considered a condition rarity. Gehrig and Ruth have dropped under $1,000 each in near mint in many sets and have been reduced by hundreds in others. Where are these cheap near mint Gehrig and Ruth cards? Can you hook me up? Certainly nothing on Ebay has shown this sort of weakness. I know because I am in on virtually every Ruth out there with bids similar to the condition-adjusted prices in the 2005 book, and I never win. Usually, not by a long shot. A 1928 Hack Wilson for $100 in nm? Not this decade...when you find Hack, which is rarely, his cards pull in $75-$100 in vg.

Last of all, the Zeenuts. When oh when will the valuations on the HOFers be adjusted to reflect the actual values of these cards??? I mean, the book is under a hundred bucks on vg examples of many of these cards. Hook me up, dude, I'll take all the 1915 Heilmann's in vg at $90 that you can find me...1919 Dazzy Vance for $60? Where; I am so on that. Zeenuts HOFers sell into the hundreds even in lower grades.

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Posted By: Julie

is one of the most famous in card history...

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Posted By: warshawlaw

the documented sales I have on the 1929 Ruth mentioned above are $289.49 in vg condition in February 2004 and over $250 (I forget the amount) later in the year.

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Posted By: leon

Peck and Snyders should have been left in. One of those shiney, smiley, pieces of crap, sets should have been left out....otherwise, it's still the best guide around and helps out tremendously. Take care....

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Posted By: Bob Lemke

Naturally, those of us on this forum want to see unlimited space devoted to the vintage section, but that's about 50 people. We have 11,000 books to sell. The vast majority of them go to people whose collecting interests are much more recently focused. They are more interested in movement in the 2004 SGA team-sets than in a checklist addition to T214 Victory.
The dozen or so people who own Peck & Snyder cards already know what they are and what they're worth. The single recorded sale I have for the last year was a 2.5% increase over book on a low-grade example.
I'll keep juggling the contents, you all keep the suggestions and (intelligent) criticim flowing.

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Posted By: Bob Lemke

As for the 1929 Star Picture Stamps Exhibit, we obviously track different venues. The two price citations I have in my mark-up copy of last year's book show an EX sold for $359 and a VG-EX for $173. In my newly begun marking up of this year's catalog, I note the sale of a NM specimen at $604; much closer to the 2005 price of $600 than the $800 figure in the 2004 book.
Much of what you say in your overall look at Exhibit pricing has some validity, and will be given due consideration in the future, but I assure you that (for the most part) I don't pull the pricing out of thin air.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

I love your book. I was just surprised to see prices at the levels indicated since I do not see the cards offered for sale and when they do come up, see them for different numbers.

Oddly enough, the one sale of the Averill (mine) would have fit exactly within the parameters of the new pricing ($75 for a poor condition card; 5% of the "book" price).

I'll send you some additional information on some other things I've noticed offline.

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Posted By: leon

I admit...I am prejudiced towards vintage.....and your numbers for readers are probably skewed a little...I would say about 52 vintage readers and 12,000,000 others best regards