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Pat Tillman's wife has asked that her husband not be dragged into this. She also said that Tillman would have supported Kaepernick's protest

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Pat Tillman's wife has asked that her husband not be dragged into this. She also said that Tillman would have supported Kaepernick's protest

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The point is being missed. It's really not about Pat Tillman. It's about sacrifice. Ok, take Pat Tillman's name out and let's say (fill in the name of any fallen soldier here) gave the ultimate sacrifice. What has Kaepernick ever sacrificed? The NFL contract the he opted out of? Was that his sacrifice? To say he sacrificed everything is an insult to those who truly have.

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I think David's right. However one views Kaepernick, the ad campaign is very overstated. Had it said, he stood up for what he believed in, fine -- he did.
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I forgot, the military has a monopoly on sacrifice...
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For what it's worth, Nike stock hit its all-time high yesterday. I didn't see what it did today.
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I forgot, the military has a monopoly on sacrifice...
No one said it did. Nice deflection though. The ad says he sacrificed everything. Everything? I'm not asking for everything, I just want to know one thing. What has Kaepernick ever sacrificed?
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Hmmm.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/...ographer-says/

“Pat would have found Kaepernick an extremely admirable person for what he believed in,” [Tillman biographer] Krakauer told The Washington Post. “I have no doubt if he was in the NFL today, he would be the first to kneel. So there is irony about what is going on.”
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No one said it did. Nice deflection though. The ad says he sacrificed everything. Everything? I'm not asking for everything, I just want to know one thing. What has Kaepernick ever sacrificed?
Millions of dollars donated to charitable causes and in lost wages plus a career he's been working towards since Pee Wee football. What have you done to fight racism and police brutality?

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By the way, the actual deflection is when people like you twist the conversation away from racism and violence committed by our law enforcement community against young black men and try to turn it into something entirely different.
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Millions of dollars donated to charitable causes and in lost wages plus a career he's been working towards since Pee Wee football. What have you done to fight racism and police brutality?
Colin Kaepernick earned more than $43 million dollars during his career. He has donated just a little over $1 million (not the millions as you stated). That's 2.3% of his salary. The average American donates 3.7% of their annual salary. Big sacrifice there.

Edited to educate the misinformed: Lost wages? He opted out of his contract. That would be like me quitting my job and then complaining about lost wages.

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Colin Kaepernick earned more than $43 million dollars during his career. He has donated just a little over $1 million (not the millions as you stated). That's 2.3% of his salary. The average American donates 3.7% of their annual salary. Big sacrifice there.

Edited to educate the misinformed: Lost wages? He opted out of his contract. That would be like me quitting my job and then complaining about lost wages.
It's hard to take seriously a claim of ultimate sacrifice by someone with $40 million in prior earnings. I think it's admirable that he is taking a stand and speaking out against racism, and I support him in that, but let's not couch this in terms of ultimate sacrifice please.

And let's not accuse anyone who disagrees with the campaign of somehow wanting to distract attention from racism and police violence, that's ridiculous.

Oh, and according to Celebrity Net Worth, Colin is still worth a cool $20 million. Now there's nothing wrong with an uber-wealthy person taking a stand for the less fortunate. Again, it's a question of how it's characterized.
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By the way, the actual deflection is when people like you twist the conversation away from racism and violence committed by our law enforcement community against young black men and try to turn it into something entirely different.
There have been 707 people shot and killed by police this year (through the end of August). 128 of them were black. 18%. Sure, its slightly disproportinate to their overall population of 13%. Then again, blacks make up 42% of cop killers. But let's sweep that incredibly large disproportionate number under the rug, right? I don't understand why your kind only wants to talk about one side of the problem, but not the other.

Keep making dumb statements and I'll keep fact checking you, burritoboy.

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The problem I have with the ad is not Kaepernick. If I were him, I'd take the endorsement deal too. I'm sure he's getting paid. He's not a fool. And it wasn't him that made up the slogan, it was Nike. That's who I have the problem with. Here's a company that has been accused of running sweatshops and exploiting child labor since the '70s. All of a sudden they want to take a stand against oppression? How about their own factories around the world that have oppressed their workers for years. Nike is a joke.
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Hmm, might be time for a new posterboy.

From Jeremy Staat, Pat Tillman's friend and teammate at ASU:

"In response to the Nike ad that is circulating. Please do not use Pat Tillman as a ploy for your political views," Staat, a former ASU and NFL defensive lineman, wrote in a Facebook post on Tuesday. "Pat was not a conservative [R]epublican, he did not believe in the Iraq War, he was not a Christian, and with the government and military handling of his death and the lies that followed I do believe that Pat would value the players' protest against police brutality and inequality."

https://www.abc15.com/sports/sports-...ck-controversy
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There have been 707 people shot and killed by police this year (through the end of August). 128 of them were black. 18%. Sure, its slightly disproportinate to their overall population of 13%. Then again, blacks make up 42% of cop killers. But let's sweep that incredibly large disproportionate number under the rug, right? I don't understand why your kind only wants to talk about one side of the problem, but not the other.

Keep making dumb statements and I'll keep fact checking you, burritoboy.
Your numbers are fictitious at best, flat racist at worse (which I suspect is the case with you, considering your avatar).

And before you start calling names, cite your sources:
31% of all people killed by police are black (which is wildly disproportionate considering 13% of the US population is black), and 39% of all non-attacking victims of fatal police violence are black. This is according to FBI data from 2012 (https://www.vox.com/cards/police-bru...-police-racism)

Also, it's 41% of police who are killed feloniously are by black suspects. But I notice you didn't bat an eye at the 52% killed by white suspects.

https://source.wustl.edu/2018/02/pol...n-study-finds/

Kaepernick donated $1million just between Oct 2016 and June 2017
https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/1/...illion-dollars

And the donations continue to "roll past $1million"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jerryba.../#39d802771668


But keep talking, so everybody can see how big of a racist piece of garbage you truly are.

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Your numbers are fictitious at best, flat racist at worse (which I suspect is the case with you, considering your avatar).

And before you start calling names, cite your sources:
31% of all people killed by police are black (which is wildly disproportionate considering 13% of the US population is black), and 39% of all non-attacking victims of fatal police violence are black. This is according to FBI data from 2012 (https://www.vox.com/cards/police-bru...-police-racism)

Also, it's 41% of police who are killed feloniously are by black suspects. But I notice you didn't bat an eye at the 52% killed by white suspects.

https://source.wustl.edu/2018/02/pol...n-study-finds/

Kaepernick donated $1million just between Oct 2016 and June 2017
https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/1/...illion-dollars

And the donations continue to "roll past $1million"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jerryba.../#39d802771668


But keep talking, so everybody can see how big of a racist piece of garbage you truly are.
Since you are such an expert on these statistics, I was wondering if you could help me with a couple I was unable to find on Google (gee, I wonder why that would be). First, can you tell me the number of young black males murdered by other young black males annually in the USA as opposed to the numbers of young black males murdered by police annually in the USA, and second, the ratio of violent black on white crime as opposed to violent white on black crime annually in the USA?
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Your numbers are fictitious at best, flat racist at worse (which I suspect is the case with you, considering your avatar).

And before you start calling names, cite your sources:
31% of all people killed by police are black (which is wildly disproportionate considering 13% of the US population is black), and 39% of all non-attacking victims of fatal police violence are black. This is according to FBI data from 2012 (https://www.vox.com/cards/police-bru...-police-racism)

Also, it's 41% of police who are killed feloniously are by black suspects. But I notice you didn't bat an eye at the 52% killed by white suspects.

https://source.wustl.edu/2018/02/pol...n-study-finds/

Kaepernick donated $1million just between Oct 2016 and June 2017
https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/1/...illion-dollars

And the donations continue to "roll past $1million"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jerryba.../#39d802771668


But keep talking, so everybody can see how big of a racist piece of garbage you truly are.
What kind of burrito are you, burritoboy? A beef burrito? A chicken burrito? No, wait, a bean burrito. Bean burritos give me the craps...much like the content of your posts.

My numbers are accurate. Do the research. But I'll play along with you burritoboy. Let's use your numbers instead. So 31% of all people killed by police are black, right burritoboy? But 41% of all police killed are by blacks. So I ask, burritoboy, why aren't you as passionate about officers killed by blacks as you are about blacks killed by officers? You sound a little one sided to me. Go push your racial division agenda somewhere else, burritoboy.
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It's more complicated than burrito's simple narrative using a cherry picked stat.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...s-commit-crime
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Since you are such an expert on these statistics, I was wondering if you could help me with a couple I was unable to find on Google (gee, I wonder why that would be). First, can you tell me the number of young black males murdered by other young black males annually in the USA as opposed to the numbers of young black males murdered by police annually in the USA, and second, the ratio of violent black on white crime as opposed to violent white on black crime annually in the USA?
According to the article I posted 93 percent of black victims were killed by blacks. But nobody wants to talk about that, it's not politically correct.
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The real racist is one who injects racism into the conversation when it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Nothing David has said remotely suggests he is a racist. You (burrito) should apologize to him, or take the gratuitous insults elsewhere.
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Although I support Kaepernick's right to protest, I've never believed that all the white cops who've killed African Americans are racist. It's pointless to say that, and impossible to lump all these incidents together as if they were all the same. Every incident is individual and consists of different sets of circumstances. Is it possible that some white cops are racist? Of course it is. But to lump them all together is a poor and incorrect reading of the events.

The one thing I see linking them is poor decision making under very stressful circumstances, by the cops and the defendants alike. Both sides see the real possibility that their lives are in danger, and I don't believe that people can always do that right thing under those circumstances. Maybe cops need a little more training in that area, I don't know. And many of the defendants do really stupid things, such as reaching into their cars or pockets when they are told to freeze. It's an awful situation for anyone to be in, and very difficult to navigate.

But to say all white cops are racists is plainly false. You simply can't lump all of these incidents together without the facts.
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Funny, instead of posting your own evidence, you try to conflate the issue and resort to childish name calling.

Classy. And you know, par for the course for toxic racists.

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Done. Not because you asked necessarily, though his name should have been out there long ago, he asked for his account to be deleted. So he just got the boot instead.
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I want to comment on this topic. When I first saw the Nike ad on television, I wasn't surprised at all. African American athletes have made Nike's founder (Phil Knight) billions and billions of dollars. Now if these guys are having any problems, then he is gonna' have to get his a** out there and support them.
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No one said it did. Nice deflection though. The ad says he sacrificed everything. Everything? I'm not asking for everything, I just want to know one thing. What has Kaepernick ever sacrificed?

uh, His Career.

Curt Flood also sacrificed his career
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As someone who grew up and lived in St. Louis for a long time, and went to Series games in 64, 67 and 68, I was very sad when the Cardinals traded Flood to the Phils in 1969 ( even though having Richie Allen on the team was intriguing). His post baseball life had some low points, and he did pass up decent money from the Phils. An example of losing the battle so others could win the war. I have fond memories of him patrolling center field in the 60s.

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As someone who grew up and lived in St. Louis for a long time, and went to Series games in 64, 67 and 68, I was very sad when the Cardinals traded Flood to the Phils in 1969 ( even though having Richie Allen on the team was intriguing). His post baseball life had some low points, and he did pass up decent money from the Phils. An example of losing the battle so others could win the war. I have fond memories of him patrolling center field in the 60s.

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My only contribution to this thread is that Richie Allen should be in the Hall of Fame.
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Maybe, but there were times when even he thought he was a Dick.
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Maybe, but there were times when even he thought he was a Dick.


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Internally- We spend too much time assuring our rights without learning the responsibilities that should accompany them.
Externally - No matter how much we claim to take the higher moral ground, we have neither respected nor attempted to understand other cultures.
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