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These are my only 3 Northrup versions

Al, the two on the right are the two I have and have consistently seen over the years.....from the scan, I can't tell what the variation is on the card on the left though.
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I was just including the common card with the other two
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I was just including the common card with the other two
That is what I thought, but with one of the world's largest collectors of Topps variations, I wanted to be sure that there was not some obscure variation I had missed on this card.
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1960 Topps #7 Master and Mentor with Willie Mays. This one has a brown bar on the reverse to the left of the title box that is not on any other copy on COMC.

It's not miscut, since the card is nicely centered. Must be a variation based on being on multiple sheets/different series? Anyone else have one? Is it cataloged anywhere? This would be a good one to have listed as a variation on PSA.
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Very interesting John. Either Tom or George here or elsewhere pointed out a similar oddity on two 1960 backs. Conley ( 293) and Chiti (339) can be found with an errant "Batting Record" box ( Chiti at top back, Conley lower back) The box seems to appear on both cards no matter how cut. Just seems to be an out of place box on the sheet/. But yours appears much scarcer as the Chiti and Conley both have the box but in different degrees.

The Conley has front differences as well on the insert


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The lovely thing about collecting print freaks is that most dealers classify them as junk. I picked these out of junk boxes at the National:


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You could collect hobby recognized variations, recurring print defects, one time print defects, out of registrations, wrong backs ( or fronts ), blank backs, proofs, miscuts , or just some of the above. Sometime back I chose to stick to recognized variations and recurring print defects on the theory there has to be some limits

I still wonder if one searched long enough you could find a variant for any pre 1981 post war card ( The only pre war set I collect also has a variation for each card in the set)
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There is even less demand for those wuth the error on the back:





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You could collect hobby recognized variations, recurring print defects, one time print defects, out of registrations, wrong backs ( or fronts ), blank backs, proofs, miscuts , or just some of the above. Sometime back I chose to stick to recognized variations and recurring print defects on the theory there has to be some limits

I still wonder if one searched long enough you could find a variant for any pre 1981 post war card ( The only pre war set I collect also has a variation for each card in the set)
I'm almost certain that would be possible. Post 1981, say through at least 1991 it's almost guaranteed. Haven't found all of them yet, but have found differences that should affect the entire set.

Some of them of course are really trivial, or only visible with a magnifier.

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I feel sorry for Topps employees working in the print shop in this era. In what other occupation are your screw ups, mess ups and inattentiveness this well documented? :-D
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Yeah, but you don't know who any of them were, unless you could identify them by the fingerprint on the 1972 card earlier in the thread. ;-)
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Would be great to run that fingerprint through the NSA database and see who shows up,

There is Topps set that pictures a bunch of it's staff and workers...from the 70s I think
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It typically seems harder to spot print variations on HOFer cards as most collectors do not have as many duplicate copies of HOFer cards as they might have with commons....here is a recurring white print mark on the front of this 68 Gibson WS card
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I love drastic miscuts and if I found a Yount cut that bad in a junk box it would have made my day.
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..this is a 1954 Topps Brooklyn Dodgers hurling ace Clem Labine ; despite being off-centered and with a 'drastic' diamond miscut , there is a distinct red-orange added color to the left side of the bottom where the white border should be. The surface is mint 9. Despite all its problems it still was graded ''Excellent : SGC 60". I've heard that there are people who actually look for and collect cards like this .

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Good one Mike. It is scarce but seems to be recurring. Found a couple on ebay with same defect
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There is already one variation regarding 1972 card #619 Rich McKinney, where a small vertical blue line crosses the top right border, but there's also another one.

If you look at the orangey area between the 'Y' and 'A' in "YANKEES,' there is an errant blotch of yellow appearing there on a good number of these cards. And it's coupled with a yellow 'teardrop' which seemingly emanates from his right eye.

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Knew I had the blue bar version so assumed I needed the blotch/tear version, but turned out that was my "regular" card. So now I need a normal card

It is interesting how many cards there are in this thread with more than one recurring print oddity on different cards
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Continuing with the theme of finding further variations of a card that already has a known variation, I present 1972 #306, Ken Boswell IA.

We know about the version of this card that has a red/orangey line cutting in front of the swinging Boswell (Whoa, that sounded weird. I have no idea if Kenny went to any key parties in the 70's). In my Errors & Variations thread in the B/S/T, I included an example of this card having a thick red streak in that same area, and I assumed it was just a random error. But now I've found other examples of this anomaly, so it is, in fact, recurring…

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Darren-- are there traces of red in the line version you posted as well ?
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A few new arrivals...The 63 Baumann looks like it's worn, but it's not. The Virgil is printer ink. The 65 Wood has an Orange border (not red). 63 Hansen has yellow blobbing.
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I have never seen a version of the card that contained both said anomalies at the same time.

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This red mark to the left of "Rene" is recurring and here are two eBay listings that have it. There is at least one more on eBay (I stopped looking) and none on COMC. In addition to these three known versions, I have two myself.
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On the Valdes and the earlier McKinney, and a few of the other variants posted in this thread, when I went to my set to see what I had it ended up being the deviant card and I had to go out a get a normal card
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I just looked and also noticed a red mark at the bottom of my Boyer card too. It is at the very bottom and is hard to see, which leaves me to believe, the cutter actually hit the mark.

I will have to check my other cards more carefully as I wasn't aware any of my cards had this mark.
Old post but also noticed a red mark/line on my Phil Masi card on the upper middle border just above his head. (14 rows down on the right in my FlickR link below).

Still curious how these red marks came about on these cards, but I doubt we'll ever know?
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The Masi is recurring, printer's mark ?
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Noticed it on another members card here as well.

I assume, based on where this card was located on a sheet, that that is the reason why more cards don't have them?

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1972 card #337, Mike Kilkenny, appears with and without a short, thick black line in the bottom yellow area of the "S." The version without the mark is seemingly a tad bit 'rarer' than the other, but there are untold numbers of each out there.

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The House card on the left has a Tiger logo that is nearly yellow, except for the tongue which is light red and some very light orange around the top of the tiger's head. The true variations of this card I have viewed, show the Tiger's tongue as well as the rest of its face yellow also. Is this "yellow" Tiger variation a "progressive" type of variation as there appear to be some varying degrees/amounts of yellow?
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There are a couple of House threads in here somewhere where it has been argued there are several versions of this card, including a grey back yellow and degrees of red in the tongue and elsewhere on the yellow Tiger
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There are a couple of House threads in here somewhere where it has been argued there are several versions of this card, including a grey back yellow and degrees of red in the tongue and elsewhere on the yellow Tiger
Thank you Al, I found this old thread where you, Patrick and others discuss this.
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That thread appears to contain the most up to date info on this card (except for the
magenta print defect version Ted recently showed).
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Not sure if the limited but recurring red print mark on Staley's glove hand has been pointed out before or not, but here it is.
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Not sure if the limited but recurring red print mark on Staley's glove hand has been pointed out before or not, but here it is.
It seems to also come with and without that thin black line running the length of the photo top to bottom near the right border.
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It seems to also come with and without that thin black line running the length of the photo top to bottom near the right border.
Good catch on the black line too
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I found the red on two of my three copies. I don't know how I missed that. Thanks for sharing.
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I found the red on two of my three copies. I don't know how I missed that. Thanks for sharing.
Your're welcome...speaking of recurring red spots, here is one that I have not seen before today (although it has been previously pointed out somewhere else before). This recurring red spot is near the left edge near to the left of Ken's pic.....it appears that about 1 in 10 copies have this red spot.
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Are there transition Staley cards, with less but some red ?

When I checked to see which McBride I had, I had both, so must have heard about it from someone previously. All you guys look alike to me
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Are there transition Staley cards, with less but some red ?

When I checked to see which McBride I had, I had both, so must have heard about it from someone previously. All you guys look alike to me
Of the copies I looked at with the Staley, they appear to either have or not have the red spot. So, I will go with the non-transitional variety variation on the Staley card.
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Here is a nice example of a progressive (Blue)print mark on Tony Cs RC
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This one has gray smudging near his hands in the inset. On eBay I believe this is the common while the one without is the variation of sorts. The blue ink in the middle version is easier to see on the actual card.
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Just checked my Schmidt. It has no gray in border but does have the dot pattern in the blue mark...4 versions ?
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Checked mine, no gray in border but does have heavy blue dots.
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Not a variation, likely, but it is similar to other sections of missing border cards that I have seen being discussed.

Noticed on my 52 Topps Dale Coogan card that a small section of border (just left of center, top, facing you) is missing or something was laying on it when printed. I looked at other Coogan cards and noticed about <5% had it.

Mine, and the E-Bay one I found looking.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-8...wAAOxygPtStJWJ
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Good catch Irv. I have picked up similar border hick ups for Snider ( 37), Woodling ( 99), Scheib ( 116), Bowles ( 128) and Dobson ( 254). Some of those, Snider,, Woodling and Scheib for sure, were listed as variants by Huggins in their 1952 Super Set auction ( 579 cards) a couple of years back.

They are all recurring print defects rather than true variations, but fun to add to the set anyway

The wing tip along upper left black border seems common on all, but here is another recurring defect on that card

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By the way, for collectors who do variants and autos there is an autographed 52 Campos black star in the upcoming LOG auction. It is from a large collection that was found here in San Antonio a short while back
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Old 10-29-2016, 04:56 PM
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Good catch Irv. I have picked up similar border hick ups for Snider ( 37), Woodling ( 99), Scheib ( 116), Bowles ( 128) and Dobson ( 254). Some of those, Snider,, Woodling and Scheib for sure, were listed as variants by Huggins in their 1952 Super Set auction ( 579 cards) a couple of years back.

They are all recurring print defects rather than true variations, but fun to add to the set anyway

The wing tip along upper left black border seems common on all, but here is another recurring defect on that card
I agree, just anomalies as I like to call them.

Thanks for the info, Al.

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By the way, for collectors who do variants and autos there is an autographed 52 Campos black star in the upcoming LOG auction. It is from a large collection that was found here in San Antonio a short while back
The 110 signed 52's would be a nice addition as well!!

It will be interesting to see what both lots go for?
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