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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Phil Garry
I just reviewed the list of newly eligible players for the BB HOF Writer's Vote in 2009. Does anyone think that any player other than Rickey Henderson will ever have a serious chance at making the Hall? |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Paul
Don't you think Mo Vaughn and Dan Plesac are shoe ins? |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: john/z28jd
Among the new players I dont think anyone else has an outside chance but Jim Rice has been getting closer every year since 2003(he fell just 16 votes shy last year) and it is his 15th year on the ballot,that might sway a few voters |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
Plesac, Vaughn and Henderson hardly qualify as Big Beautiful Women. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Michael Steele
Jim Rice. I hope. Ironically, he is actually a member of the media now on Sox NESN games and he (IMO) is actually glib and funny which was not his rep with the media as a player. Good luck to Jim. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
Rice is an absolute hoot to be around. Simply put, he's a fun-loving guy who revels in his semi-retirement. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Fred C
Henderson is a first ballot player. I hope Rice makes it in. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Greg Ecklund
A potential BBW Hall of Fame "First Five" |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Misunderestimated (Brian H)
I'd go with Henderson . . .should be unanimous but the writers won't do that no matter what --- for Anyone -- (See Aaron, Hank) |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: JimCrandell
Only Henderson hopefully. HOF in my opinion should be for the best of the best and Rice and other very good players miss by that definition. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: D. Bergin
As a lifetime Yankee fan..........................I hope Jim Rice finally makes it. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: D. Bergin
From 1975 to 1986 Jim Rice was "the best of the best". I'm not sure how anyone can say differently. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
D, I agree. When I think watching baseball in my youth Jim Rice was by far the most feared hitter. Too many great years to be left out of the HOF. I think he and Henderson get in this year. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Tim Sanders
Dale Murphy? |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: MikePugeda
And if Dale Murphy....why not Andre Dawson? Both were valuable offensively and defensively and played in an era when big power numbers were not the norm. Both great players and I feel under-appreciated. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Rice had 8 seasons of 100+ RBI; Murphy and Dawson had 4 and 5 of such seasons, respectively. Rice was a more potent player, period. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: KBR
Henderson will be automatic. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: MikePugeda
Jeff, |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Mike, those are good points re Dawson; sometimes that rifle arm and fielding is forgotten when cold, hard statistics are viewed. I think he'll eventually get in as well. As for Murphy, he just petered out too quickly I suspect to ever get in. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Robert Dixon
Jim Rice should NOT be in the HOF. He was not the best of the best in his era...not even close. Guys like Eddie Murray, Paul Molitor, George Brett, Ozzie Smith, Dave Winfield, Wade Boggs were the best of the best of that era. Letting Kirby Puckett in was a mistake, but there were extenuating circumstances there. If you say that Rice should get in because Puckett is in, then I agree that Dawson and Murphy should get in as well. But the Baseball Hall of Fame is for the elite....not the pretty good. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Tim Sanders
the RBI's can be there ....if someone is on base in front of you. Murphy is only 190 or so behind Rice with hardly the same line-up around him (maybe that's why he walked almost 300 more times in his career compared to Rice). Imagine if someone was on the 398 times he hit one out in Atlanta!!!(16 more times than Rice I may add)! |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Rick McQuillan
Henderson and Dawson yes. Rice and Murphy no. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: MikePugeda
Robert D., |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Anonymous
Robert D, |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I agree. Rice was more feared than Murray, Molitor, Brett, Ozzie, Winfield and Boggs put together. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Greg Ecklund
The only guy on that list even comparable to Rice in terms of being feared by pitchers was George Brett - Dave Winfield was only feared in May... |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Misunderestimated (Brian H)
Ozzie and Rice: |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Robert Dixon
Obviously I am not alone in my thinking. All of the guys that I mentioned were first or second ballot HOFers. Nobody had to make a case for them to get in. Just look at the career numbers. .298 avg, 382 HR, 1451 RBI, .352 OBP. He only has 30 more HR and 245 more RBI than Ellis Burks. I'm not saying that he was a scrub. He made 8 All Star teams. But "Feared By Pitchers" is not a stat, and the rest of his stats don't make him a HOFer. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Ken McMillan
Lee Smith.......do I say more? |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Stephen Mitchell
Nobody compared to Babe Ruth. For the past two decades (plus) we have endured the Steroids Era. For those 20+ years well-engineered creatures have almost made Babe Ruth to be Ho Hum. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Todd Schultz
For all those who claim Puck does not belong, here is my response to Frank Wakefield back in March, to which I have never received a response from anyone: |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: KBR
Robert, |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Robert Dixon
Your points are valid about Puckett, but I still don't think he deserves to be in the hall based on his career numbers. I do believe that had his career not been cut short, he would have easily gotten to 3k hits and would have gotten in without any skepticism. The thing is, George Brett and Tony Gwynn didn't play 12 seasons. Gwynn racked up close to 700 hits after his 12th full season. He also went to 4 AS games and won a silver slugger award. Baseball awards longevity. Career numbers are all that matter when it comes to the hall...not who had the best 12 year stretch. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Todd Schultz
then change the eligibility rules to reward longetivity--make it 15 or more years. Lord knows we need more Don Suttons and Phil Niekros. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Robert Dixon
KBR, |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Robert Dixon
Not 15 seasons. 300 wins. 500 HR. 3000 hits. 3000 K's. Just to name a few. Those things make you a HOFer, and those things take time. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Todd Schultz
that's one measurement for sure, just examine totals. That's how you get guys like Sutton, who won twenty games exactly once and was usually the third best starter on his own team, into the Hall of Fame. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Greg Ecklund
If numbers are all that matter why not just have a computer automatically select Hall of Famers immediately upon their retirement and eliminate the whole voting process altogether? |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: David Smith
I don't know if Jim Rice deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame or not however, I started watching baseball and seriously paying attention to it during the 1975 World Series. In those first few years of watching, I thought Jim Rice was REALLY good. He might not have been much of anything else on the baseball field but he was a feared hitter. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: howard
The "best of the best" of Jim Rice's era was Mike Scmidt, no contest. He was a star before and after Rice was (1974-1987 for Schmidt, 1975-1986 for Rice) and in between he was a better hitter, fielder and runner than Rice. Rice beats him only in batting average which is offset by Schmidt's higher on base average. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: JimCrandell
I would agree that Murphy/Rice/Dawson are as deserving on average as the bottom quintile of those already in the Hall and unfortunately there seems that nothing can be done to reverse the mistakes of the past. I am a big advocate of the Hall becoming not just a place where very good players end up but an elite group that lets in perhaps 3-5 players every decade that will be viewed truly as the best of the best. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Kenneth A. Cohen
"I do agree that Rice has a decent Hall of Fame case and that if there is any Rice enshrined it should be Jim and not Sam." |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: howard
I'm not necessarily saying that Sam Rice doesn't belong in the Hall, just that Jim Rice is more worthy. However, if I were to play devil's advocate I'd say that he was a singles hitting OF in an era when the top hitters were batting .350 to .400 w/at least some power. Also, although he was fast he was a poor base stealer. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Andrew S.
Runs: |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: dennis
first off ... i never saw sam rice play, but by looking at his stats, he had an odd career to say the least. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: howard
"Sam Rice is a clearcut hall of famer..." |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Andrew S.
I would rather have Sam Rice on my team. I want someone who is only going to strikeout once a month over someone that will strikeout once per game. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Kenneth A. Cohen
Point number 1 really says nothing. Rice was in the Merchant Marine and Navy till his mid 20s and then he started in pro career as a pitcher. |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Andy Baran
I have to admit that I am a Huge Red Sox Fan, and Jim Rice (along with Yaz) was my favorite player as a kid, but I don't understand how he is not in the HOF. Besides being the most feared hitter in the American League and his MVP voting credentials, take a look at these facts: |
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2009 BBW Hall of Fame Vote
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Andy, well said. Without looking at the numbers, as a kid growing up in the 70s Rice was the most feared player of his era. That was enough for me -- and your numbers just support my memories. |
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