What is your take on the T-206 Doyle Error Card???

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Posted By: Ralph

I see these posts it seems daily so I would like to see what others feel about this card.Do you think it is overpriced? Do you feel that by not owning one that you can or cannot consider your set complete.There are many other questions which would be great reading.I believe the card is a scarcer card but do I think it should be considered a card in having the set complete?I am going to have to say NO.I say this because the error in which Ted Z. found the dot card.The dot card could of been the beginning of the error or the end of the error.Chew on that thought a while,interesting to see what others feel as to that thought & others.

BTW Those are just my Opinions as Clint E. once said Opinions are like A.H. everybodies got one

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Posted By: JimB

Ralph,
Good questions.
Is it overpriced? It sells for what the market bares. I just feel like it is what it is. There have only been two public sales in the past ten years or so. Ron Oser auctioned a PSA 2 and it went for something like 178k. Then a PSA 3 sold for somewhere in the high 50's a few years later. I heard rumors that a PSA 5 sold last year for well above both of those prices.

Is it necessary to complete the set? I wish I could say, "No." in earnest, but I am having a hard time convincing myself of that. I would love it if somebody could convince me that it is not necessary.

JimB

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

JIM B

All us avid T206 set collectors would like to have this card....and, it is overpriced. However, we can't fight that old
law of "supply vs demand".
But, I caution serious buyers that are interested in this card, as very good "fakes" are out there. So good, that the
professional graders are being fooled. The problem the graders are having is the fact that they don't have a real card
to compare with. Hopefully by now, they have an enlarged picture of the lettering as a guide.

TED Z

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Posted By: Bob

I don't think it will convince you but I absolutely do not feel the Doyle variation is a set completer, I think the set is complete without it. It varies markedly from cards like the Hoblitzell no stats in the T205 set and others because the Doyle is nothing more than a printing screwup. I also consider the Magie in the T206 set to be a printing variation and not necessary to complete the set. I would imagine fewer people agree with me about that one.
The Wagner is out of sight for me but if and when I ever get the Plank, I'll consider my set finished sans Magie and Doyle NY.

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Posted By: Ralph

Ted & Bob I agree with what your both saying but my question was not answered & it was do you think the Doyle Dot card was the same error before or after the card was printed? I think that Dot card was done trying to correct the card & they printed so many & they got out into circulation & then they caught that error,those are just my opinions & I welcome replies to that.
Thank-you,
Ralph.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

you have to be SO careful with fakes, even in slabs. i myself saw an altered mid-grade example in a PSA holder, all of the letters in "NAT'L" were the same size...not good!

MS

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Posted By: barry arnold

Very interesting theorizing, Ralph.
I think that when we get into this area of printing errors, it becomes very
difficult to draw conclusions with any real precision. To try and connect
the dot(forgive me) theory to some sort of delineation of its relationship to the company's attempt to correct their printing error(s) can only end up in
the amorphous arena of conjecture upon conjecture,etc.
I find myself in tbob's camp in seeing the printing errors as interesting
but not warranting status as cards in the set which much be collected to
effectuate completion.
Don't get me wrong. I do find the research interesting. I spent quite a bit
of time with my Murray Lenox looking for the apostrophe. In a different vein,
I loved looking at the evolution of the Ritchey Dove through the various series. But these are only interesting tributaries(even excursus) for me--nothing more,nothing less.

all the best,
barry

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

There are only 6 cards of the Joe Doyle NAT'L variation that we know for sure are legitimate (based on their history).
There are about 4 more of these Joe Doyle cards that have been graded and are assumed to be "legitimate" ?

Regarding the Joe Doyle cards with the "Printer's MARK"....please do not refer to it as a "dot", as it is not a round
mark as a typical T206 "dot". It appears to be a "serif" of a capital letter. I have speculated that it is the lower
segment of the "N" in "NAT'L" since this MARK is exactly in the location where the "N" was in the rare variation. And,
apparently when the printers realized their mistake with the initial Joe Doyle (NAT"L) cards they cleaned their plate
in a hurry, leaving this MARK still on the plate. Subsequently, they removed it.

The survey (to date 92 samples) indicates that only 15% of the regular Joe Doyle's have this printer's MARK.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ralph

So Ted the mark on the Doyle card,Can we assume these cards more valuable because they are a printing mistake.I enjoy your posts & your replies are very well explained.
Thank-you,
Ralph.

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Posted By: dan mckee

Rare card and definately part of the set. Some graded ones may be fakes????? Say it isn't so!

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Posted By: Ralph

Dan that is your opinion but still I say that the set is considered complete without it which is my opinion.What is your input about the card with the Printer's mark?Do you feel this was an error in trying to fix the Doyle misprint?If so those cards with the printers mark should have more value? I say YES but again my two cents

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Posted By: Scot Reader

While Doyle (N.Y. Nat'l) may be a "printer's screw-up" I don't think it should be lumped in with mechanical printing errors such as Nodgrass. I ascribe to the theory (as I'm sure many others on this board do) that the "Nat'l" was added and later removed by design after it was discovered that the player depicted was "Slow Joe" Doyle of the Highlanders rather than "Laughing Larry" Doyle of the Giants. The fact that these variations arise by design rather than as an unintended consequence of the printing process renders Doyle (N.Y. Nat'l) and Magie worthy of separate checklisting.