Bee Hive hockey cards.

[irv]

PSA still grading Beehives?

Noticed this and never knew they once did or still do?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Beehive...8AAOSwbsBXk6gp

[Duluth Eskimo]

The Dit Clapper appears good to me. No sense getting it authenticated. If it's real, it's always real. Adding a sticker to it doesn't make it any better. Nice piece and set by the way. On the same note, I am always looking for signed John Mariucci items especially from this set if anyone has one. Take care, Jason

[irv]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

The Dit Clapper appears good to me. No sense getting it authenticated. If it's real, it's always real. Adding a sticker to it doesn't make it any better. Nice piece and set by the way. On the same note, I am always looking for signed John Mariucci items especially from this set if anyone has one. Take care, Jason

Thank you, Jason.

Took a pic a few weeks ago of Dit Clapper Drive in Hastings, Ontario.

He is a local Hero there and was recently Honored with a celebration.

I personally had never heard of him before I received these cards but have done a fair bit of reading about him since.
He was one heck of a hockey player, that is for sure!

[GeorgeBailey2]

Originally Posted by irv

PSA still grading Beehives?

Noticed this and never knew they once did or still do?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Beehive...8AAOSwbsBXk6gp

I was quite interested in this post and noticed no response.

I went to the PSA registry and looked at the date ranges and found all three groups.

For the Group I & II, grades are only "Authentic". I would suppose this is due to the photo being attached to the cardboard backing. None were for sale, so I was unable to determine when they were graded.

The Group III, due to the border being part of the photo, are basically cards. These had numerical grades. Like the Beliveau, all are new flips, so they have been graded recently. I would assume that the Group I & II are also newly graded based on the low number of slabbed photos. It appears that most of the are currently for sale. While the Beliveau is being auctioned through PWCC, the rest all seem to be from 4SC. Could it be possible that 4SC's is test auctioning a card via PWCC? That would be interesting to know.

[irv]

Originally Posted by GeorgeBailey2

I was quite interested in this post and noticed no response.

I went to the PSA registry and looked at the date ranges and found all three groups.

For the Group I & II, grades are only "Authentic". I would suppose this is due to the photo being attached to the cardboard backing. None were for sale, so I was unable to determine when they were graded.

The Group III, due to the border being part of the photo, are basically cards. These had numerical grades. Like the Beliveau, all are new flips, so they have been graded recently. I would assume that the Group I & II are also newly graded based on the low number of slabbed photos. It appears that most of the are currently for sale. While the Beliveau is being auctioned through PWCC, the rest all seem to be from 4SC. Could it be possible that 4SC's is test auctioning a card via PWCC? That would be interesting to know.

Thanks for the info, George.

I would also tend to believe what you say is likely correct? Seems like the only logical explanation to me anyways.

I recently bid on a couple trophy cards, which seem quite rare, but was unable to win them due to being away.

After I bid, however, I did notice shipping at $40 dollars! In hindsight I guess I am glad I lost but those 2 cards would have been nice to own.

Here's a pic of Dit Clapper Dr. Next time, instead of driving straight through, Hastings, I think I am going to park and check out some of the local shops to see if see any old memorabilia exists anywhere? (That Banjo's restaurant is a great little spot, BTW! )

[GeorgeBailey2]

Fyi, someone had bought it from 4SC and is trying to flip it via PWCC. It is the last day of the auction. It has to go for at least $170 for the guy to break even as he bought for $149 on ebay (thanks to J60 on VHC for that info). I don't see it happening. It will be interesting to see if it breaks $100.

$36.11.....ouch.

[irv]

Originally Posted by GeorgeBailey2

Fyi, someone had bought it from 4SC and is trying to flip it via PWCC. It is the last day of the auction. It has to go for at least $170 for the guy to break even as he bought for $149 on ebay (thanks to J60 on VHC for that info). I don't see it happening. It will be interesting to see if it breaks $100.

It is currently at $20.00 and change with only 6 hrs to go so I don't see it breaking a $100 either, unfortunately, for the seller.

I personally would like to own it but even with the current bid price, shipping, exchange rate, duty etc, it would cost me over a $100 CDN at it's current bid to get it!

On a side note, ever since I inherited my cards, it is surprising to me, considering their rarity, that these cards are not more popular than what they are? But I guess, because it's hockey we are talking about, they'll likely never be, (based on the population/popularity differences between us CDN's and the U.S.) as popular as baseball or basketball and maybe even football cards?

[brian1961]

Dale, Since Bee Hives fall into the range of a regional / food issue, sometimes collectors take an awful long time to notice and finally appreciate something like these.

For the far, far majority of collectors, their eyes are glued to Topps, O-Pee-Chee and Parkhurst.

Stupid.

However, those few collectors who enjoy and appreciate the elegant Bee Hives and their fascinating promotion will seriously wish the gum card guys stay focused on them. I only own a pair of them, and felt glad to get them, as I wanted a couple as type cards. I relish a good story and the Bee Hives deliver the goods, so to speak.

Dale, if you would, please load up a scan of your original Bee Hive ad. I'd love to have a closer look. Would you say the ad traces to the Type 1s, 2s, or 3s?

Back to PSA for a moment, if a MASTER SET REGISTRY player collector wishes to submit a Bee Hive, I for one feel it would enhance his player set handsomely. Really, PSA should grade the Type 1s and 2s; after all, being that the company issued their premiums and photos glued to a colored piece of paper, then they are as-issued and therefore legitimate to be authenticated and adjudicated with a proper numerical grade. First, however, it would be beneficial to them to have a conference call with three known Bee Hive experts to educate them on the fine points and vicissitudes of the given types. This way, the PSA graders will know how in the world to properly grade them.

Wishing you well with your Bee Hives. Please, please, load up a scan of your ad, and one of an original brown envelope the St. Lawrence Starch Company LTD used to send an eager youngster his "free prize".

---Brian Powell

[irv]

Originally Posted by brian1961

Dale, Since Bee Hives fall into the range of a regional / food issue, sometimes collectors take an awful long time to notice and finally appreciate something like these.

For the far, far majority of collectors, their eyes are glued to Topps, O-Pee-Chee and Parkhurst.

Stupid.

However, those few collectors who enjoy and appreciate the elegant Bee Hives and their fascinating promotion will seriously wish the gum card guys stay focused on them. I only own a pair of them, and felt glad to get them, as I wanted a couple as type cards. I relish a good story and the Bee Hives deliver the goods, so to speak.

Dale, if you would, please load up a scan of your original Bee Hive ad. I'd love to have a closer look. Would you say the ad traces to the Type 1s, 2s, or 3s?

Back to PSA for a moment, if a MASTER SET REGISTRY player collector wishes to submit a Bee Hive, I for one feel it would enhance his player set handsomely. Really, PSA should grade the Type 1s and 2s; after all, being that the company issued their premiums and photos glued to a colored piece of paper, then they are as-issued and therefore legitimate to be authenticated and adjudicated with a proper numerical grade. First, however, it would be beneficial to them to have a conference call with three known Bee Hive experts to educate them on the fine points and vicissitudes of the given types. This way, the PSA graders will know how in the world to properly grade them.

Wishing you well with your Bee Hives. Please, please, load up a scan of your ad, and one of an original brown envelope the St. Lawrence Starch Company LTD used to send an eager youngster his "free prize".

---Brian Powell

I agree, Brian, it is silly PSA will not grade these. Mine are still original, untouched, just the way they came back in the 30's-40's so it makes no sense to me?
Personally, I think they are great cards and a piece of Hockey History, especially considering their age and the players who adorn them.

I received/talked to a few Beehive guys, who, imo, were experts, or at least seemed to be and their sentiments were the same regarding these cards.

I have watched some E-Bay ads and it is rare that any get any bids/attention at all.
One card, which is super rare of Cy Wentworth in a Montreal CDN's sweater, fetched $8,000 years ago at an auction but there has been very little action since.

As far as the ad and types go, I'd say they lean towards series Type 1 and 2 as my Father didn't have/own any type 3 cards.

I scanned 2 envelopes showing my Father's name and his home town, which is a small town in NE Ontario where he was born and raised. Note the spelling of the last name on one of the envelopes. We still get that today, lol. I always wonder if Monty or Micheal ever got/get their last name spelled incorrectly on occasion too?

Thanks for asking and for your opinion, Brian, I appreciate it!

Dale

Edit: Noticed the date on the advertising piece as October 20, 1953, which leads me to believe these cards were issued only during certain periods and between certain years, meaning you couldn't get the previous years/series cards? The series were as follows. Group 1, 1934-1943. Group 2, 1945-1964. Group 3, 1964-1967.
I know my Father was given a majority of these cards, so the envelopes, with his name and advertising piece date makes sense as that is when he added to the collection he was given. He would have been 14. He is 77 now.