Ebay delibrately leaving bad items on the board - they need the $$$

[RichardSimon]

For at least a week now, ebay has not been removing items that are being reported by their EMR people.
Apparently any thought of trying to help clean up the ebay autograph market has been removed from ebay's corporate policy.
How about if all autograph collectors on this board write to them and complain about this apparent policy change.

[Sean1125]

Are they responsible if it is brought to their attention and nothing is done about it?

[mighty bombjack]

I thought there was an inordinate amount of bad autos up currently. Here's one outstanding example

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JIMMY-COLLIN...item41716b1b10

[thetruthisoutthere]

This piece-of-crap forgery sold for $2.000.

Listed and sold by Ebay seller dino565.


The scammers on Ebay are now running amok.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/140934792724...orig_cvip=true

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[thecatspajamas]

That "Quick Judgement Service" by AMA is hilarious. Based on their track record, couldn't they issue those without even looking at the item?

Does the "banned authenticators" list no longer apply as well?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

That "Quick Judgement Service" by AMA is hilarious. Based on their track record, couldn't they issue those without even looking at the item?

Does the "banned authenticators" list no longer apply as well?

Check out these forgeries listed by Ebay seller poffin. The COAs are from CSC Collectibles (on Ebay's Banned COA list).

Ebay isn't removing anything these days from what I can observe.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/mickey-mantl...item4ac262d380

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-mantl...item4ac262ce61

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[keithsky]

Ebay doesn't care it's all about the money. I have reported about 6 things this week with Drew Maxx and Ace certs and they do NOTHING. They probably get so many complaints about bad autographs they blow it off as people just complaning. Like we don't know what were talking about. It will never change unless they get sued for some reason for millions of dollars or some amount to make an impact then maybe the'll wise up and listen to the people like us that care and want the hobby to get cleaned up. It's like taking 1 step forward and 5 steps back sometimes. I find lately all they seem to care about is making there website more attractive cause every time I log on something has changed in appearance but still the same bogus autographs that I tell them about.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by keithsky

Ebay doesn't care it's all about the money. I have reported about 6 things this week with Drew Maxx and Ace certs and they do NOTHING. They probably get so many complaints about bad autographs they blow it off as people just complaning. Like we don't know what were talking about. It will never change unless they get sued for some reason for millions of dollars or some amount to make an impact then maybe the'll wise up and listen to the people like us that care and want the hobby to get cleaned up. It's like taking 1 step forward and 5 steps back sometimes. I find lately all they seem to care about is making there website more attractive cause every time I log on something has changed in appearance but still the same bogus autographs that I tell them about.

What Richard is specifically referring to is eBay appears to be no longer responding to EMR reports.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by keithsky

Ebay doesn't care it's all about the money. I have reported about 6 things this week with Drew Maxx and Ace certs and they do NOTHING. They probably get so many complaints about bad autographs they blow it off as people just complaning. Like we don't know what were talking about. It will never change unless they get sued for some reason for millions of dollars or some amount to make an impact then maybe the'll wise up and listen to the people like us that care and want the hobby to get cleaned up. It's like taking 1 step forward and 5 steps back sometimes. I find lately all they seem to care about is making there website more attractive cause every time I log on something has changed in appearance but still the same bogus autographs that I tell them about.

Keith - not to denigrate you or any collector who made reports to ebay. but those reports were almost never listened to.
The reports that they did listen to came from the dedicated volunteers of the EMR group. Now they are ignoring those reports to the detriment of the hobby.

[RichardSimon]

It does seem that the new corporate policy at ebay is just let the crooks run wild.
All collectors should write to them and publicize this fact on other boards.
Autographs on Ebay are now as bad as any time in its history.
It is as bad now as in the horror days of pre Operation Bullpen.
When John G. was "moved" out of his role of top ebay policeman we should have known what would be next.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

When John G. was "moved" out of his role of top ebay policeman we should have known what would be next.

When did this happen? I must have missed it if something was posted regarding his move. It does sound like with the change of head cop, the policies (or attentiveness to them) has changed, which is very disappointing.

[koufax1fan]

I can only speak as a 25 year collector of just Sandy Koufax memorabilia. Many of the Sandy Koufax autographs on ebay listings are fake. At first I would email the sellers to remove item, and then advise ebay about the item if not removed. The last few months have been so bad with forgeries that it is now just out of control. Many COA's are a joke, and a few from even reputable people. Unfortunately it is a very sad part of our hobby.
Phil

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

That "Quick Judgement Service" by AMA is hilarious. Based on their track record, couldn't they issue those without even looking at the item?

Does the "banned authenticators" list no longer apply as well?

I always have to chuckle when a COA does not list the address or phone number of the authenticator. What are they hiding??
Yes banned authenticator items have been reported and nothing has been done by ebay.

[thetruthisoutthere]

For some reason, Ebay has stopped removing forgeries.

Check out these forgeries listed by EBay seller mcollins10.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-AU...item20d03c7aee

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[thetruthisoutthere]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-AU...item20d03c97f7

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[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

For at least a week now, ebay has not been removing items that are being reported by their EMR people.
Apparently any thought of trying to help clean up the ebay autograph market has been removed from ebay's corporate policy.
How about if all autograph collectors on this board write to them and complain about this apparent policy change.

Well they certainly have no qualms about removing cap gun auctions that don't have permanent orange stoppers in the barrel. How stupid of a rule is that? They ended three of my auctions for cap guns that were made in the 1950s and 60s because my orange stoppers that I crafted out of plastic did not meet their lofty standards.

[travrosty]

they only removed "some" of the fakes anyway, so they are being fair now, either leave all the fakes up or take down ALL the fakes.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by travrosty

they only removed "some" of the fakes anyway, so they are being fair now, either leave all the fakes up or take down ALL the fakes.

With a philosophy like that, thankfully you are not in law enforcement or anti-terrorism.

Officer: Chief, our estimates indicate there are a percentage of drunk drivers, rapists and con artists at large.

Chief Roste: You mean we are not catching 100% of violators? That's not fair to the ones we do arrest. Screw it. Let 'em all go.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

With a philosophy like that, thankfully you are not in law enforcement or anti-terrorism.

Officer: Chief, our estimates indicate there are a percentage of drunk drivers, rapists and con artists at large.

Chief Roste: You mean we are not catching 100% of violators? That's not fair to the ones we do arrest. Screw it. Let 'em all go.

Well written, Mr. Zipper!!!!

My sentiments exactly.

[travrosty]

thats the dumbest analogy ever.

when the violators arre already caught, not AT LARGE. It's not liek we dont know fo the psa and jsa screwups, they have been caught, proven and turned in. Just not prosecuted fairly like the rest.

case in point.

you catch two guys robbing the store,

one white, one black, you bring them in, they book the black guy and let the white guy go.

now does your analogy hold up?


what you are saying is that we cant catch the psa or jsa screwups so lets let them all go.

but we already caught them and reported them, its just that its selective ENFORCEMENT, not the fact that we cant catch them all so let's let the ones we do catch go. We DID catch psa and jsa, its just that its ebay picking winners and losers.

I don't think you would have the same attitude if they delisted the psa and jsa fakes and kept the drew max fakes up? you wouldnt have a problem with that? It all comes down to whose ox is being gored. Just give me a good reason why psa and jsa fakes that have been proven to be fake deserve to remain up. you can't because you you like it that way. You like psa and jsa fakes. If you didn't , you would demand they come down the same as the rest.

a fake is a fake is a fake. These fakes are being laid right at ebays doorstep, they just choose to ignore some because of their cozy relationships.

So it's good i am not in law enforcement because I don't practive selective enforcement of the law? law enforcements job is to serve justice, which is suppose to be blind. two violators violating the same statute deserve equal treatment and justice under the law. not look one way for one and book the other. when the DA's brother in law gets his traffic ticket dismissed, when others have to pay, then that's a problem. But I guess you don't have a problem with that. I have had an EMR ask me for all the non psa and jsa fakes. what the heck is that? why protect companies who screwup and certify fakes. why are their fakes golden and something we shouldn't talk about and take proactive action with? Sacred cows for $$$$$$$$$$$$, power and other considerations in return for shutting up.