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Tough to have a cogent argument with someone whose only point is that nearly everyone in the hobby is actually thrilled that PSA is putting thousands of trimmed cards into holders simply because no single victim has individually sued a public company for the price of their worthless card. That's his only point. Peter, let me know how many people who lost between $500 and $10,000 due to PSA incompetence would be willing to pay a lawyer to sue PSA, knowing they can't join up in a class?
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It's also a weird situation because in this market, a lot of people could just mitigate their damage by selling off the cards they have doubts about, or even the ones that have been specifically outed. Easier than paying a lawyer to sue for you in Orange County.
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10-12-2019, 06:44 PM
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This is the worst/Most Obviously Re Colored Card Exposed as of yet.....was this graded at one of those invitationals where the high volume submitters get to sit and discuss with graders??
Did they even look at his jersey or chin of this butchered Hull Rookie I’m not buying PSA is this bad at grading cards....... Such a Shame Last edited by Johnny630; 10-12-2019 at 06:45 PM.
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What a disgrace. I'm not familiar with 1958 Topps Hockey cards, but I do know that many of the later '60's Topps Baseball cards had a dot matrix print pattern that would make it easy to detect recoloring under magnification. Putting $18,000 at risk to modify a card reveals a lot about PSA's gross lack of competence and the card doctor's brazen confidence (likely based on years of experience and lucrative returns on investment) to attempt to get a grade bump like this.
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Agree...
Gross incompetence by PSA. A simple magnifying glass would reveal the very significant recoloring of that card. Within the thread on BO, they blew up that section, and it was beyond obvious that red ink was added to the jersey. Major tampering, and a true disgrace. Hope the buyer gets word of this.
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"So I think this whole trimming issue that we spent a lot of time talking about today is really something that we don't consider material to our business." Joseph J. Orlando https://finance.yahoo.com/news/edite...083408142.html
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Who knows? It may not matter to the buyer. Maybe the buyer is another card doctor hoping to alter it to a 9 or 10.
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I'm shocked collectors still think these trimmers were submitting altered cards to PSA without knowing the outcome. Please, our collecting community cannot be that dumb. 99% certainty these trimmers knew exactly the grade they were going to get, and PSA is knee deep in this crap.
If a trimmer is spending thousands of dollars to duplicate a factory cut to 1/64 of an inch, and years perfecting his skills, he's going to have an inside track to getting that bump. Until Joe Orlando is quoted under penalty of perjury during a deposition, I'll assume anything coming from his mouth is meant for the collectors club kool-aid drinkers. Last edited by Beastmode; 10-15-2019 at 05:51 PM.
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On the other hand you bring up a great point: this is just another example of lame rhetoric by Orlando used to smooth over, deflect and dismiss just another PSA scandal and naturally his response doesn't surprise me in the least. He gave me the scorched earth treatment when I publicly exposed examples of doctored PSA cards ten years ago, by banning me, deleting registry sets, etc and never publicly addressed the issue. I wasn't alone; there were other disgruntled collectors who endured the same fate. One has to wonder what kind of retribution he imposed on the stock analysts who brought up the questions regarding trimmed cards in the recent quarterly results meeting? I'm reminded when Ken Lay the CEO of Enron assured employees and stockholders all is well with Enron and promoted a bright future and cajoled the said parties to buy even more Enron stock when in fact the company was quietly floundering into a state of disaster. Lay was later convicted of multiple crimes including making false statements. Whether that applies to this situation, I'll leave that to the legal experts.
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 I remember when PSA graded the first O-Pee-Chee Wayne Gretzky RC a 10 GEM MINT. Being Canadian, I have seen a trillion of these cards before and I just felt that it wasn't a perfect-looking card. I remember pointing out an error, or two, and then I got the boot.
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Yes, I did have a panther avatar in the early days. I didn't have Photoshop software, so the customized cards phenomenon doesn't stand out for me. It was a great time in the early days - buying raw cards at shows and selected shops and getting them graded and seeing their value jump significantly if they got a high grade. Then by 2003 or so, the nice cards dried up and things started to surface that PSA wasn't all that it was cracked up to be.
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Great Job BODA
This whitey ford 61 AS is a disgrace..... https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...315750&page=75 PSA’s OPINION IS WORTHLESS Last edited by Johnny630; 10-16-2019 at 07:32 PM.
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Here comes my inner Chuck.....
PSA has completely wrongfully put tens of thousands, it not hundreds of thousands of cards in holders that are altered.... facilitating the public to be potentially defrauded over and over again.....their Number 1 In the industry egotistical mentality is all Bull To The S Garbage Wake Up People !!!!!
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My view is enough time has passed that people seem to be happy with the outcome or great lawyers like you write one terrific letter so no lawsuit is needed. I think we can all name instances in which a lawsuit did more than a letter . I dont think filing a lawsuit now would be immediate as well. How long as it been? It appears 'victims' are happy how things are proceeding where they are happy or not worth filing a lawsuit at this point. There are problems in the world in which lawsuits are filed and there problems where none are, thus far this falls in the later category Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 10-17-2019 at 09:58 AM.
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Insurance companies are public companies and they get sued, not sure why you mention PSA is a public company like thats a deterrent, they probably have insurance as well. I guess nobody sues public companies. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 10-17-2019 at 09:54 AM.
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Please let this end.
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Silly me, I opened this today thinking there might be more outed cards on this thread.
Can you two start your own thread so we can get back to the point of this one?
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https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...315750&page=76 Check out the extra "air space" in those PSA Slabs. The hits just keep on coming!
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And these are only the ones that Blowout found "before" pictures of. Undoubtedly the card doctors altered many more cards that never appeared on the internet or where no database archived the imagines of cards sold on the internet.
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