ebay Mantle PSA 5 1952 too good to be true?

[1952boyntoncollector]

sold for 20k..listed for like 6 minutes.. seller lots of feedback but only card listed....had a buy it now...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-TOPPS-3...p2047675.l2557

[BlueBlood]

Nice card and deal if legit..Seems odd but who knows..

[1952boyntoncollector]

how can someone with tons of feedback not start the bidding at 20k...he had a 10 day buy it now window so why not a 10 day bidding window starting at 20k....makes no sense....if good to be true..

i was going to buy the card..but didnt feel like going through all the ebay challenges when find out card is not what it should be...only 2 pictures as well for a 20k card...

[BlueBlood]

Also one scan is crystal clear and the other is blurry..Whole thing seems odd..

[MattyC]

I'd pass. I've found that people who try and get steal deals on the 1952 Topps Mantle always get burned. Plus if I am spending over 10k on a card it's gotta be centered, LOL.

[1952boyntoncollector]

for a mantle thats centered...but if its fake or not as represented doesnt ebay refund your money?

i know a hassle and we may be supporting the taliban when they take the payment and run but doesnt the buyer get paid back by ebay at least?

[sycks22]

Crystal clear front, fuzzy back scan. There's your red flag.

[1952boyntoncollector]

seems the ebay seller gets good reviews...he just emailed me saying card sold and was legit whatever that means..

the card does show up on the psa registry and would be nice to email the person on the registry with the card to verify or see if theres a duplicate cert number out there... the consignor is now saying he added it to his inventry before listing the card and has since removed it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Card sold in REA in 2012. For some reason the seller photoshopped out the missing pixel. And the back scan is DIFFERENT the REA one had a tilt the fuzzy backscan on ebay did not.


http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2012/575.html

[1952boyntoncollector]

it sold on i believe on memory lane for 16.7k in 2010 or 2011..i saw on cardtarget

[CW]

To those who called it, including the OP, yep... too good to be true. Saw it posted over on CU...

Feedback left

[savedfrommyspokes]

Is it likely the seller used the (photoshopped) scan of the front from the REA offering and then sent something different?

[pokerplyr80]

Did you guys read his feedback? 1952 MANTLE 20K SCAM! PAYPAL REFUNDED ME. FBI NEEDED. DONT SPEND OVER $5! I think you dodged a bullet

[1952boyntoncollector]

Just a FYI, guy never came thru with the payment on the Mantle card. He
initiated an e- check payment last Friday and kept insisting it was Ok to
send the card. Today Paypal messages me to say it did not clear. I'm going
to see who might still have interest from the people who contacted me last
week and ask the owner if he wants to sell it outright or list it as an
auction. At this point I wish he would've just given it an auction house to
sell.


should i buy it now?

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Just a FYI, guy never came thru with the payment on the Mantle card. He
initiated an e- check payment last Friday and kept insisting it was Ok to
send the card. Today Paypal messages me to say it did not clear. I'm going
to see who might still have interest from the people who contacted me last
week and ask the owner if he wants to sell it outright or list it as an
auction. At this point I wish he would've just given it an auction house to
sell.


should i buy it now?

If this seller is being truthful with you, the negative feedback that was left by the buyer could easily be removed. If the seller says the buyer's e-check did not clear(essentially meaning the buyer did not pay), then ebay dictates that feedback can be removed if: "The buyer didn't pay for a purchase and an unpaid item case is recorded against the buyer."

It will take 4 days for the UPI case to be processed(once initiated), but after that, one phone call to ebay and that feedback will be removed. As this seller is an "experienced" seller whom should know all of this, it will be interesting to see if this feedback is removed within the next few days.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Just a FYI, guy never came thru with the payment on the Mantle card. He
initiated an e- check payment last Friday and kept insisting it was Ok to
send the card. Today Paypal messages me to say it did not clear. I'm going
to see who might still have interest from the people who contacted me last
week and ask the owner if he wants to sell it outright or list it as an
auction. At this point I wish he would've just given it an auction house to
sell.


should i buy it now?

After all these red flags are you seriously considering this???? WHY????? This already had scam written all over it and now the feedback confirming this does not deter you and you take the scam seller's in all likelihood bullshit email at face value?

[1952boyntoncollector]

the feedback will be removed..because never paid..and will go to outside auction...

if see the card in outside auction the next 2 months or so and the feeback removed..than theres semblence of legitamacy?

[ooo-ribay]

You guys and your '52 Mantles :shakes head:

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

the feedback will be removed..because never paid..and will go to outside auction...

if see the card in outside auction the next 2 months or so and the feeback removed..than theres semblence of legitamacy?

How do you know he never paid, you are taking the seller's word for it? Since you trust the seller so much (who I happen to know has been involved in at least one significant card-related lawsuit), why don't you ask him why he used a fake back scan? And why he photoshopped out the missing pixel? You do know about missing pixels right?

OH I see now you are just reporting what the seller told you. Well, I would be very skeptical...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

You guys and your '52 Mantles :shakes head:

I like mine.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I like mine.

I'd just as soon have a nice classic car or maybe a swimming pool.

[1952boyntoncollector]

bring down the value of the house versus sales price versus cost of the pool....mantles seem to go up.

[1952boyntoncollector]

That feedback will be removed. Never received payment from that guy. Giving
the card back to the owner and telling him to use an auction house instead.


thats what he emailed me..

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I'd just as soon have a nice classic car or maybe a swimming pool.

You will never recoup the cost of a pool. When you try to sell, too many people will view a pool as an expense, and if potential buyers have children, a pool is more often viewed as a danger.

Repaint the house, modest landscaping, update the kitchen and bathroom hardware, and you can still have the '52 Mantle AND increase the value of your home!

http://lou.kcmetrohomesforsale.com

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

You will never recoup the cost of a pool. When you try to sell, too many people will view a pool as an expense, and if potential buyers have children, a pool is more often viewed as a danger.

Repaint the house, modest landscaping, update the kitchen and bathroom hardware, and you can still have the '52 Mantle AND increase the value of your home!

http://lou.kcmetrohomesforsale.com

Good to know! I learn so much on this site.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

That feedback will be removed. Never received payment from that guy. Giving
the card back to the owner and telling him to use an auction house instead.


thats what he emailed me..

For 20k there should be some way to do the deal in person. I did it with a 20k ebay deal not too long ago. I got a board member near where the seller was to take the guy a big pile of cash. It worked well. I have done it several times with a bit smaller amounts but on deals I wanted to be safer on. All have been fine and never an issue.

[1952boyntoncollector]

we go nuts when want to buy a car for $4,000 and would never do a deal on ebay or hard for us too.but $10,000 for cardboard..no problem~!

feel free to meet me for cash anytime

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

For 20k there should be some way to do the deal in person. I did it with a 20k ebay deal not too long ago. I got a board member near where the seller was to take the guy a big pile of cash. It worked well. I have done it several times with a bit smaller amounts but on deals I wanted to be safer on. All have been fine and never an issue.

Or use a mutually trusted intermediary.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

That feedback will be removed. Never received payment from that guy. Giving
the card back to the owner and telling him to use an auction house instead.


thats what he emailed me..

Feedback is still there haha.

Negative feedback rating 1952 MANTLE 20K SCAM! PAYPAL REFUNDED ME. FBI NEEDED. DONT SPEND OVER $5! w***s (private) During past month
1952 TOPPS # 311 Mickey Mantle PSA 5 (#221603204989) US $20,499.00 View Item

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Feedback is still there haha.

Negative feedback rating 1952 MANTLE 20K SCAM! PAYPAL REFUNDED ME. FBI NEEDED. DONT SPEND OVER $5! w***s (private) During past month
1952 TOPPS # 311 Mickey Mantle PSA 5 (#221603204989) US $20,499.00 View Item

If the buyer really did not pay, feedback certainly should have been gone by now.

[pokerplyr80]

It sounds fishy to me. I agree with Leon for a 20k card you should be able to arrange a meeting in person. 20k + a plane ticket is still a steal for a PSA 5 52 Mantle. If he's not willing to do that you know something is wrong.