the list (of criminals) is revealed

[sflayank]

the names of all consignors/dealers their shill bidders names and the injured party names have been revealed in court documents from mastro auctions 2007 and 2008
what everyone probably already knows or believes most of your big name dealers are revealed as the biggest consignors and every item they consigned they shilled
while many items were shilled by mastro auctions more items were actually shilled by many big name dealers having their wives partners friends bid up their items including many who appear on this board
the list also includes the buyer of the lot and how much the shill bidding cost him
gotta love the peoples right to open court documents
its a shame only 2 years worth are available or lawsuits would be flying out against almost every dealer
i can see other auction houses running to burn all their records

The LIST IS in POST 51


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[ullmandds]

WOW...not totally surprising...but definitely SHOCKING...can we see this list?

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

WOW...not totally surprising...but definitely SHOCKING...can we see this list?

Please

[sflayank]

its a 272 page document 103 pages of which list all the auction items
one thing cool is you can see what some famous collectors bought and how much they got screwed by

[ullmandds]

please show us...link please?

[Buythatcard]

I don't want to see who got screwed but I do want to see who screwed us over.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

I don't want to see who got screwed but I do want to see who screwed us over.

That's what I want to see!! Roll it out!

[Leon]

I have seen it and it ain't pretty. It's a virtual who's who of a lot of the hobby. I got shilled but already had an idea of that.

It is a 1mb pdf file. Whomever wants to see it send me an email.

The LIST is IN POST 51

[e107collector]

Larry, as others have already posted, how can we see this list. Can you post a link to the documents?

This should be interesting!!

Tony

[jason.1969]

Wow, even pols are weighing in.

http://www.cnn.com/palin-blames-obam...mp-agrees.html

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jason.1969

Wow, even pols are weighing in.

http://www.cnn.com/palin-blames-obam...mp-agrees.html

guess it got taken down?

[jboosted92]

Originally Posted by Leon

guess it got taken down?

I think it was a joke....just look at the URL

[esd10]

So does Mastro and his cronies have to pay restitution to these customer who where shill bid against? This really weakens my faith in these auction houses and the bottom line is they make money off the juice from these sales.

[jason.1969]

Am a low-grade collector (compared to typical N54 guys) who has 6 cards I've paid more than $100 for, with only my $450 DiMaggio above $150.

Here is where I do feel impacted...just not in the tens of thousands like others of you.

1. Had once imagined owning certain White Whale cards like a 52T Mantle. While the AHs dealt with the high grade ones, the prices of those definitely dragged the low end ones up with them.

2. Still hoping to own a 33G Ruth and 34G Gehrig. Reliant on TPGs to assure authenticity. But if ethics are that low, who knows...

3. Ditto for card doctoring.

4. While not necessarily the cause, the same bidding practices seen with Mastro are probably taking place with even the $25-$50 items I've won thru high volume eBay auctioneers. Greed is greed.

5. Though I don't buy as an investment or with any intent to sell, if scandals like this pop the card bubble, my own modest collection gets dragged down with it.

At the same time, show me anything that involves millions of dollars that hasn't already been completely corrupted. Doesn't make it right...just means it's no shock.

[keithsky]

Any comment from anyone else on the list yet?

[Stonepony]

Hauls of Shame site now reporting

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Hauls of Shame site now reporting

At least the NY DAILY News article was correct from what I saw.
Nash reports a lot of completely made up lies. Absolute fairy tales. Just like when he took the 5th amendment over 20 times in in a court deposition, as to where he got fake memorabilia he consigned. Why would anyone take the 5th amendment when asked WHERE THEY GOT FAKE ITEMS? He made all of it himself is my understanding. And his association with John Rogers should land him in jail for a long time. I wonder if his outstanding lawsuits and recent personal bankruptcy will follow him to jail. Hopefully they will. He is a loser. As I just told someone, I actually stick up for losers a little bit. Without them it would be much more difficult to succeed. I predict bad things will happen to Nash because he does bad things and deserves everything he gets (as we all do, for that matter).

[Brian Van Horn]

Well, I just completed my reading of the New York Daily News article and the report on Hauls of Shame. I don't know if there is a chemical strong enough to remove the ooze and scum of the behavior that has transpired.

One note, however, is the quote in the Hauls of Shame article:

"The shill-bidding list was a hot topic in hobby circles over the weekend and one of the best observations we heard on the situation came from author and prominent Michigan attorney Ron Keurajian who told us, “There appears to be a continuing pattern of shill bidding, fraud, racketeering, and strong-arm tactics by the same core group of auctioneers, dealers, and authenticators all in an attempt to monopolize the sports memorabilia trade. Criminal prosecution under the RICO Act should be pursued by government and those who have been victimized should consider civil actions also allowed by the act.”

Pretty clear that although the messenger isn't well thought of on this board, the gentleman he interviewed, Ron Keurajian, paints an accurate picture of things to come.

This is going to be one ongoing and seemingly endless demolition derby.

[jason.1969]

Sounds like the bidders some of you competed against into the wee hours were as real as the Ashley Madison babes other dudes were staying up late with!

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