NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-19-2018, 07:58 PM
paul's Avatar
paul paul is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,331
Default 1940s Phil. A's Team Issue George Kell

For many years, I've owned a 1940's team issue of George Kell, showing him with his first team, the Philadelphia A's. Over the years, I've seen a few (very few) offered for sale. All of them had the same pose as mine, a fielding pose.

Now I've stumbled across a portrait. Has this pose been documented before, or is it a new discovery? And is there any way to confirm which of the two poses was issued first?

I've posted pictures of both below. (Sorry for the random size differences.) By the way, for those of you who think there are no more bargains to be had, I paid $6.19 for the Kell portrait.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Kell.JPG (19.1 KB, 204 views)
File Type: jpg Kell portrait.jpg (77.4 KB, 199 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-19-2018, 08:30 PM
oaks1912 oaks1912 is offline
Mark Macrae
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Greater Bay Area
Posts: 382
Default

Those A's team issues came out from the late 30's to the 50's. Kell played with Philadelphia from '43-46. The portrait shows the patriotic patch on his sleeve which would suggest 43. Since these were likely made available in packs (like several other major league teams from that timeframe) it would lean towards the portrait being the earlier version
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-19-2018, 09:26 PM
paul's Avatar
paul paul is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,331
Default

Very interesting. Thank you.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-20-2018, 06:32 AM
h2oya311's Avatar
h2oya311 h2oya311 is offline
Derek Granger
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 3,383
Default

Very interesting indeed! I believe the Fielding pose was issued in 1945, based on my documentation. If the portrait is an earlier issue (although it is possible the photo was simply taken earlier and used in a later issue), then that would be a GREAT find, Paul!
__________________
...
http://imageevent.com/derekgranger

HOF "Earliest" Collection (Ideal - Indiv): 244/342 (71.4%)
1914 T330-2 Piedmont Art Stamps......: 114/119 (95.8%)
1923 V100 Willard's Chocolate............: 177/180 (98.3%)
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-20-2018, 09:25 AM
h2oya311's Avatar
h2oya311 h2oya311 is offline
Derek Granger
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 3,383
Default

Based on the other subjects sold by the seller, most with a similar style including the black background behind the player and several with the arms crossed (same photo shoot?), I would say that this Kell photo is also from 1945. Joe Cicero only played with the A's in 1945. Lou Knerr only played from 1945-46. Also, I see that Cicero has the patch on his sleeve, so this patriotic patch must have stayed on the uniform throughout the war and into 1945.

The other players with the same "style" sold by the eBay seller include:

Name (patch on sleeve)? = years with team
Luther Knerr = 1945-46
Dick Siebert (patch seen) = 1938-45
Joe Burns (patch seen) = 1944-45
George Kell (patch seen) = 1943-46
Bob Wilkins = 1944-45
Joe Cicero (patch seen) = 1945
Charlie Metro (patch seen) = 1944-45
Bob Estalella = 1943-45, 1949
Russ Christopher (patch seen) = 1942-47
Al Simmons = 1940-41, 1944 (perhaps coached in 1945?)

So cool that you found a different Kell in the 1945 set. I'll have to keep my eye out for one. The portrait is certainly a much nicer looking photo than the fielding photo (which, as it seems, may have actually been produced in a different year given the significant style differences). I acquired a huge collection of these a few years back and now want to go through them to see if I can pinpoint the dates better, unless, of course, someone on the board already has the answers.
__________________
...
http://imageevent.com/derekgranger

HOF "Earliest" Collection (Ideal - Indiv): 244/342 (71.4%)
1914 T330-2 Piedmont Art Stamps......: 114/119 (95.8%)
1923 V100 Willard's Chocolate............: 177/180 (98.3%)

Last edited by h2oya311; 03-20-2018 at 09:30 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-20-2018, 12:48 PM
paul's Avatar
paul paul is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,331
Default

Thank you Derek. This is definitely starting to sound like a new find, but it may be impossible to pin down which pose was issued first.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-20-2018, 02:27 PM
Bugsy's Avatar
Bugsy Bugsy is offline
©hri$ $€X₮ØΝ
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 813
Default

I have an Eric Tipton, who was only with the team from 1939-41. I believe I also have a Nick Etten, who was there 1938-39, 41-42.
__________________
Always looking for:

1913 Cravats pennants

St. Paul Saints Game Used Bats and Memorabilia

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=180664
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-20-2018, 02:53 PM
h2oya311's Avatar
h2oya311 h2oya311 is offline
Derek Granger
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 3,383
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugsy View Post
I have an Eric Tipton, who was only with the team from 1939-41. I believe I also have a Nick Etten, who was there 1938-39, 41-42.
Would love to see these. Do they have the dark background, with player portraits from waste-up like the Kell that Paul showed in the first post? Those were the ones I was trying to compare to...
__________________
...
http://imageevent.com/derekgranger

HOF "Earliest" Collection (Ideal - Indiv): 244/342 (71.4%)
1914 T330-2 Piedmont Art Stamps......: 114/119 (95.8%)
1923 V100 Willard's Chocolate............: 177/180 (98.3%)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-20-2018, 03:22 PM
Bugsy's Avatar
Bugsy Bugsy is offline
©hri$ $€X₮ØΝ
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 813
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by h2oya311 View Post
Would love to see these. Do they have the dark background, with player portraits from waste-up like the Kell that Paul showed in the first post? Those were the ones I was trying to compare to...
I will take a look later, but I believe the Tipton had a 1939 Centennial patch on his sleeve.
__________________
Always looking for:

1913 Cravats pennants

St. Paul Saints Game Used Bats and Memorabilia

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=180664
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-20-2018, 03:24 PM
Bugsy's Avatar
Bugsy Bugsy is offline
©hri$ $€X₮ØΝ
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 813
Default

That would make the most sense too. 1939 was the only time Tipton really played for the A's.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg tipton.jpg (72.1 KB, 76 views)
__________________
Always looking for:

1913 Cravats pennants

St. Paul Saints Game Used Bats and Memorabilia

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=180664
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-21-2018, 12:57 PM
Bugsy's Avatar
Bugsy Bugsy is offline
©hri$ $€X₮ØΝ
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 813
Default

Here is the Tipton
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Tipton.jpg (73.0 KB, 36 views)
__________________
Always looking for:

1913 Cravats pennants

St. Paul Saints Game Used Bats and Memorabilia

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=180664
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Help ID'ing 1941 PCL issue & 1940s Nashville Vols issue? Leon Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 2 06-01-2011 10:34 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:17 AM.


ebay GSB