Wagner cards more common than the T206 Wagner

[rman444]

Agree with Quan that e103 is probably close to equal

Juju is tougher

Both W600s are tougher

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Peter, Richard and Quan for the input...I have added both W600's and the Ju-Ju's to the tougher list. And is JKA the issue that contains some cards that are die-cut? If so they definitely belong on the tougher list. I have come up with new designations for the categories, with a new category...see if you think it changes things amongst the various issues:

Definitely more Common:

1913 Barker Game
1909/11 Colgans E254
1915 Cracker Jack
1909/11 E90-1 batting and throwing
1910 E91-C
1909 E92 Dockman batting and fielding
1910 E93
1909 E95
1910 E98
1906 Fan Craze NL
1910/11 M116 blue
1910/11 M116 pastel
1913 National Game
1914 Polo Grounds Game


Around the same as the T206 Wagner:

1914 Cracker Jack
D322 Tip-top
E90-2
E94
E102 batting
M101-4 Sporting News and blank backs


Probably less the the T206 Wagner:


Definitely less than the T206 (should be plenty of more issues in this grouping...let us know):

All Star Baseball
Baseball Bats
D304 all backs
D381 Fleischman/Ferguson Bakery
E92 Crofts Candy both poses
E92 Crofts Cocoa both poses
E92 Nadja both poses
E101 batting and fielding
E102 fielding
E103
E104-2
E105 Mello-Mint
E107
E125 American Caramel both poses
E135 Collins McCarthy and all associated backs
E270 Tin Tops
E271 Darby Chocolates
E286 Ju-Ju Drums
E300 Plows Candy
JKA(?)
M101-4 (all backs except for Sporting News and Blank)
M101-5 (all backs)
M110
M131 Baltimore Newsboy
Orange Border batting and portrait
Reccius Icky Bob
T5
T216 Kotton, Mino and Virginia Extra (all variations)
Texas Tommy type 1 and 2
Voskamps
W555
W600 both
W-Unc 1912
Postcards: Rose Co, American League Pub, Novelty Cutlery, Vignette

Heck if I know:

BF2 Pennants
M101-2
M101-2 w/Cobb


Brian

[brianp-beme]

I sorted out a few of the issues to put into the 'Probably less than the T206 Wagner' category after retitling the 'Less Than' category as 'Definitely less than'.

This was a fun little exercise...let me know if you have any additional comments about these groupings. I started this thread just to emphasize to our members how important 'demand' is in the value of a card. The demand for the Wagner pretty much tops the charts, and when you throw in all the factors that have made this card irrestible to collectors and investors over the years, it just blows away all his other cards, even the various Wagner cards that are much less common, like those in our 'Definitely less than' category. Thanks to all that made this thread so fun for me.


Definitely more Common:

1913 Barker Game
1909/11 Colgans E254
1915 Cracker Jack
1909/11 E90-1 batting and throwing
1910 E91-C
1909 E92 Dockman batting and fielding
1910 E93
1909 E95
1910 E98
1906 Fan Craze NL
1910/11 M116 blue
1910/11 M116 pastel
1913 National Game
1914 Polo Grounds Game


Around the same as the T206 Wagner:

1914 Cracker Jack
D322 Tip-top
E90-2
E94
E102 batting
M101-4 Sporting News and blank backs


Probably less the the T206 Wagner:

D304 General Baking and Brunner's backs
E101 batting and fielding poses
E103
E135 Collins McCarthy and blank backs


Definitely less than the T206:

All Star Baseball
Baseball Bats
D304 all backs besides General Baking and Brunner's
D381 Fleischman/Ferguson Bakery
E92 Crofts Candy both poses
E92 Crofts Cocoa both poses
E92 Nadja both poses
E102 fielding
E104-2
E105 Mello-Mint
E107
E125 American Caramel both poses
E135 all associated backs except Collins McCarthy and blank
E270 Tin Tops
E271 Darby Chocolates
E286 Ju-Ju Drums
E300 Plows Candy
J + K
M101-4 (all backs except for Sporting News and Blank)
M101-5 (all backs)
M110
M131 Baltimore Newsboy
Orange Border batting and portrait
Reccius Icky Bob
T5
T216 Kotton, Mino and Virginia Extra (all variations)
Texas Tommy type 1 and 2
Voskamps
W555
W600 both
W-Unc 1912
Postcards: Rose Co, American League Pub, Novelty Cutlery, Vignette

Heck if I know:

BF2 Pennants
M101-2
M101-2 w/Cobb


Brian

I'm way late to the party here, but I believe the 1915 E106 (both batting and throwing) are more rare than the T206

[brianp-beme]

My thread forgetting mind definitely remembers this fun one from 4 years ago. I'm surprised we didn't think to add the E106 to the list. I believe that both poses are just uncommon enough to be put in the definitely less common grouping. Thanks Dan for bringing this thread back from the dead (just in time for Halloween).

Brian

Definitely more Common:

1913 Barker Game
1909/11 Colgans E254
1915 Cracker Jack
1909/11 E90-1 batting and throwing
1910 E91-C
1909 E92 Dockman batting and fielding
1910 E93
1909 E95
1910 E98
1906 Fan Craze NL
1910/11 M116 blue
1910/11 M116 pastel
1913 National Game
1914 Polo Grounds Game


Around the same as the T206 Wagner:

1914 Cracker Jack
D322 Tip-top
E90-2
E94
E102 batting
M101-4 Sporting News and blank backs


Probably less the the T206 Wagner:

D304 General Baking and Brunner's backs
E101 batting and fielding poses
E103
E135 Collins McCarthy and blank backs


Definitely less than the T206:

All Star Baseball
Baseball Bats
D304 all backs besides General Baking and Brunner's
D381 Fleischman/Ferguson Bakery
E92 Crofts Candy both poses
E92 Crofts Cocoa both poses
E92 Nadja both poses
E102 fielding
E104-2
E105 Mello-Mint
E106 American Caramel both poses
E107
E125 American Caramel both poses
E135 all associated backs except Collins McCarthy and blank
E270 Tin Tops
E271 Darby Chocolates
E286 Ju-Ju Drums
E300 Plows Candy
J + K
M101-4 (all backs except for Sporting News and Blank)
M101-5 (all backs)
M110
M131 Baltimore Newsboy
Orange Border batting and portrait
Reccius Icky Bob
T5
T216 Kotton, Mino and Virginia Extra (all variations)
Texas Tommy type 1 and 2
Voskamps
W555
W600 both
W-Unc 1912
Postcards: Rose Co, American League Pub, Novelty Cutlery, Vignette

Heck if I know:

BF2 Pennants
M101-2
M101-2 w/Cobb

[Leon]

I concur. Great thread from a few years back with some fond memories.. I also agree, from what I have seen, I feel there are probably fewer E106 Wagners of either specific pose but maybe not in total than the king of Wagners.

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

My thread forgetting mind definitely remembers this fun one from 4 years ago. I'm surprised we didn't think to add the E106 to the list. I believe that both poses are just uncommon enough to be put in the definitely less common grouping. Thanks Dan for bringing this thread back from the dead (just in time for Halloween).

Brian

Definitely more Common:

1913 Barker Game
1909/11 Colgans E254
1915 Cracker Jack
1909/11 E90-1 batting and throwing
1910 E91-C
1909 E92 Dockman batting and fielding
1910 E93
1909 E95
1910 E98
1906 Fan Craze NL
1910/11 M116 blue
1910/11 M116 pastel
1913 National Game
1914 Polo Grounds Game


Around the same as the T206 Wagner:

1914 Cracker Jack
D322 Tip-top
E90-2
E94
E102 batting
M101-4 Sporting News and blank backs


Probably less the the T206 Wagner:

D304 General Baking and Brunner's backs
E101 batting and fielding poses
E103
E135 Collins McCarthy and blank backs


Definitely less than the T206:

All Star Baseball
Baseball Bats
D304 all backs besides General Baking and Brunner's
D381 Fleischman/Ferguson Bakery
E92 Crofts Candy both poses
E92 Crofts Cocoa both poses
E92 Nadja both poses
E102 fielding
E104-2
E105 Mello-Mint
E106 American Caramel both poses
E107
E125 American Caramel both poses
E135 all associated backs except Collins McCarthy and blank
E270 Tin Tops
E271 Darby Chocolates
E286 Ju-Ju Drums
E300 Plows Candy
J + K
M101-4 (all backs except for Sporting News and Blank)
M101-5 (all backs)
M110
M131 Baltimore Newsboy
Orange Border batting and portrait
Reccius Icky Bob
T5
T216 Kotton, Mino and Virginia Extra (all variations)
Texas Tommy type 1 and 2
Voskamps
W555
W600 both
W-Unc 1912
Postcards: Rose Co, American League Pub, Novelty Cutlery, Vignette

Heck if I know:

BF2 Pennants
M101-2
M101-2 w/Cobb

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Thanks Matt...I made a mistake on the E102 Wagner, as I mixed up the toughie. I will change the list. Also all the non-Dockman should be separated out, as I believe like you they would all be less common than the T206 Wagner. I agree with you (I was on the fence) about the E135 and E101being less common, and I think you are probably correct about the E90-2 being more common, but unless others chime in I will leave the E94 in its current group, as well as the M101-4 and M101-5 (especially if all the backs are lumped together), and the Fan Craze.

Brian

I recently sold at auction a E92 Wags batting Nadja back PSA 3; it was the only graded copy listed in all pop reports. Interestingly, there were several throwing poses that had been graded. Got to be rarer than the T206.

[terjung]

A number of these Wagner cards (rarer than the T206) are currently up for auction in the current BST Auctions Fall Premier catalog.

For starters, there's Standard Biscuit, JuJu Drum, Collins McCarthy, W600, JK&A, Green Joyce, etc... (plug, plug)

http://www.bst-auctions.com/catalog.aspx

[esd10]

E125 American caramel is pretty rare

[RCMcKenzie]

I believe I read on t206resource that there are an estimated 60-100 t206 Wagners.
From the SGC and PSA pop reports: there are about 80 e254 Wagners and 80 e92 Dockman Wagner batting. Of course, there are a number that are ungraded from these two issues.

[puckpaul]

M101-1 Sporting News is rarer and the National Copper Plate even rarer than that, perhaps ten or so of the first and maybe just five or so NCP? NCP is the real rookie appearance (1898). one of my favorite cards!

Paul

[Aaron Seefeldt]

Don't forget the d303 Mother's Bread. Much much scarcer than t206

[familytoad]

....so what do you guys have?

This is a fun list to read, now let's have a little fun inventorying.

I have :
E95 Philadelphia Caramel Wagner
E98 (light blue) Wagner
E105 Mello Mint (batting) Wagner

Who else wants to share?

I have:
E106 American Caramel
M116 Sporting Life blue

Looking to sell one or the other in order to pick up a '52 Mantle if anyone is interested

[Bliggity]

Originally Posted by Aaron Seefeldt

Don't forget the d303 Mother's Bread. Much much scarcer than t206

And D303 General, both poses.

ETA total pop on General Baking is 4 of each pose. I don't see any graded Mother's Bread. Has anyone ever seen one?

I suppose D355 is theoretical also.

ETA again: I see some prior D303-2 Wagner auctions, so the pop reports must not do a very good job of distinguishing between them. Stop probably 4 of each pose total between D303-1 and -2.

[Aaron Seefeldt]

A Mother's Bread Wagner (batting) just sold in REA less than 2 weeks ago

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

M101-1 Sporting News is rarer and the National Copper Plate even rarer than that, perhaps ten or so of the first and maybe just five or so NCP? NCP is the real rookie appearance (1898). one of my favorite cards!

Paul

I liked this article on the NCP issues:
http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.co...ate_portraits/

[puckpaul]

The descriptions on the back make the copper plates so great. Is there another issue where you get rookie cards or unique cards, and substantial descriptions on the back of what the players and times were like? Amazing issues.

[brianp-beme]

Nice valid observations on some missing cards...I will update the list in a few days when I have the opportunity to cut/paste.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by familytoad

....so what do you guys have?

This is a fun list to read, now let's have a little fun inventorying.

Who else wants to share?

Since I started this thread, I should at least partially participate in this as well. I have a couple of cards in the More Common than category, which we all know are practically worthless since they are more readily available than the T206 Wagner, and thus not worthy of listing here.

I do have one in the Definitely Less Common than the Wagner T206 category...an Orange Border 'Portrait', and the thing, even in low condition, is very cool.

Brian