No photo of back of card

[Manny Trillo]

There is a very prominent seller on eBay that never shows the back of the card they're selling I wonder why they do that. I won't buy a card if I can't see the back of it.

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[Snapolit1]

Ditto. Very odd.

[swarmee]

Takes double the time to scan/list than just a single photo. May not be worth the additional effort for the slightly higher sale value. You can always message the seller to get a scan of the back.

[Manny Trillo]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Takes double the time to scan/list than just a single photo. May not be worth the additional effort for the slightly higher sale value. You can always message the seller to get a scan of the back.

I messaged them and got an autogenerated response saying they wont do it.

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[swarmee]

Well, another feather in the COMC cap... ;-)

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Takes double the time to scan/list than just a single photo. May not be worth the additional effort for the slightly higher sale value. You can always message the seller to get a scan of the back.

With a sheet fed scanner, it takes the same amount of time to scan the front side of the card as it does to scan both sides. With the proper use of listing software, it takes no additional time to add both a front and back image to a listing over the time it takes to just add a single image.

So, IMO, a seller who uses a sheet fed scanner and only pictures the front side of the card is either lazy or unaware of simple listing techniques.

[SAllen2556]

I got banned from a prominent eBay seller for giving neutral feedback on a card that had significant paper loss on the back. They listed it as EX and never described the back nor did they have a photo of it. They're huge and reputable (?) so I assumed the best. Live and learn. I think they knew exactly what they were doing.

At the next National I'm going to go to their booth as soon as I get there, ask for a bunch of expensive cards, pull out a wad of hundreds, and then say, "oops, sorry, can't buy them, you banned me."

Ah, I wouldn't really do that, but it would be fun. Actually, I might do that.

My advice: next time you're in the batters box, ask the ump to check the ball for scuff marks.

[philliesfan]

Iwould love to see that done to the seller. It would be great if you recorded his reaction also.

[bnorth]

If it is a card I really want I will sometimes ask for a back scan, usually I just ignore those auctions.

One of the big eBay consignors disables the zoom option on cards with problems they don't want you to notice.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

I got banned from a prominent eBay seller for giving neutral feedback on a card that had significant paper loss on the back. They listed it as EX and never described the back nor did they have a photo of it. They're huge and reputable (?) so I assumed the best. Live and learn. I think they knew exactly what they were doing.

Did you return the card and get reimbursed, or keep the card with a partial reimbursement?

[darkhorse9]

Battersbox almost never has a back scan of the card, but their grading is consistent enough that I can tell what I'm getting before hand. I've never had an issue.

Otherwise I'm leery of smaller dealers who don't post back scans. It has caused me to pass on a card if the description isn't very thorough.

[Gr8Beldini]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

With a sheet fed scanner, it takes the same amount of time to scan the front side of the card as it does to scan both sides. With the proper use of listing software, it takes no additional time to add both a front and back image to a listing over the time it takes to just add a single image.

So, IMO, a seller who uses a sheet fed scanner and only pictures the front side of the card is either lazy or unaware of simple listing techniques.

What's a sheet fed scanner?

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Gr8Beldini

What's a sheet fed scanner?

It is a scanner that has an ADF (automatic document feeder) that you feed cards through versus placing them on a flatbed scanner. With my ADF scanner, I have it set to scan both sides of a card on a single pass. I can scan 1000+ cards an hour, if necessary.

[Gr8Beldini]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

It is a scanner that has an ADF (automatic document feeder) that you feed cards through versus placing them on a flatbed scanner. With my ADF scanner, I have it set to scan both sides of a card on a single pass. I can scan 1000+ cards an hour, if necessary.

I don't mean to sound dumb, but I ask because I'm interested in something that scans front and back at the same time... You can't mean that you literally feed the cards through the scanner (can you?)... feeding the cards through anything would damage... unless, by "feeding" you are referring to something different than what I'm imagining.

[swarmee]

By feeding, most people put them in 9-page sheets and then load the sheets through the document scanner. The cards are protected in the sheets. This is how COMC receives and scans so many cards quickly. You can sometimes see the edges of the sheets or the hologram in the hole punch part in the images.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Gr8Beldini

I don't mean to sound dumb, but I ask because I'm interested in something that scans front and back at the same time... You can't mean that you literally feed the cards through the scanner (can you?)... feeding the cards through anything would damage... unless, by "feeding" you are referring to something different than what I'm imagining.

Here is a video of an ADF scanner scanning cards in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8HkqF27YQM

I have a slightly lesser version of the 7160, a 5150, so my scanner is not quite as fast as the 7160. Over the years, I have fed through 100k+ cards without the first hint of damage. These scanners are designed to handle 20# sheets of paper w/o damaging them, so scanning the much less fragile 150-200# card stock a card is printed on w/o damage is a very reasonable expectation.

Some sellers scan the cards in Card Saver Is or IIS, but many others scan their cards raw with no damage what so ever.

Some people forget, cards were printed, cut and packaged by machines....scanning them in this fashion is not much different than what a card went through during their original production process.

FWIW, I am not scanning PSA 8+ quality material from the 50-60s, mainly mid to lower grade cards.